Could it be that the restrictive method you used to lose weight was the same thing that led to binge-eating and weight regain?
In this episode we first open up about our personal struggles with nutrition, experience with binging, and having an unhealthy relationship with food. After that we get into the issue with most restrictive approaches, and why education needs to be on forefront of your transformation.
Finally we discuss a new (2022) study that looked at the relationship between low-carb diets and intermittent fasting to the risk of binge-eating. The results were shocking, but not surprising..
Study discussed (PMID: 35999438):
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35999438/
Related video by Layne Norton:
https://youtu.be/_M5DLa_uPbw
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro: Johan's past 3000 calorie peanut butter binges
03:32 - Kristine's cheat days, gut health journey, and relationship with food
12:15 - Why education is a crucial part of your transformation
16:15 - 2022 study: 'Food craving and disordered eating in low-carb dieters and its association with intermittent fasting'
24:00 - The problem with having very strict rules around foods or food groups
30:34 - Outro: Why we focus on ADDING rather than restriction
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Could it be that the restrictive method you used to lose weight was the same thing that led to binge-eating and weight regain?
In this episode we first open up about our personal struggles with nutrition, experience with binging, and having an unhealthy relationship with food. After that we get into the issue with most restrictive approaches, and why education needs to be on forefront of your transformation.
Finally we discuss a new (2022) study that looked at the relationship between low-carb diets and intermittent fasting to the risk of binge-eating. The results were shocking, but not surprising..
Study discussed (PMID: 35999438):
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35999438/
Related video by Layne Norton:
https://youtu.be/_M5DLa_uPbw
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro: Johan's past 3000 calorie peanut butter binges
03:32 - Kristine's cheat days, gut health journey, and relationship with food
12:15 - Why education is a crucial part of your transformation
16:15 - 2022 study: 'Food craving and disordered eating in low-carb dieters and its association with intermittent fasting'
24:00 - The problem with having very strict rules around foods or food groups
30:34 - Outro: Why we focus on ADDING rather than restriction
- - - -
Follow us on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/talkingnutritionpodcast/
Work 1-on-1 with Kristine:
https://www.ka-nutrition.com/nutrition-coaching/
Work 1-on-1 with Johan:
https://www.vestersnutrition.com/online-nutrition-coaching/
More from Talking Nutrition and Odyssey Coaching Systems 👇🏼
Follow @johanvesters_ocs on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/johanvesters_ocs/
Read the blog - https://odysseycoachingsystems.co/blog/
Download the E-book - https://www.odysseycoachingsystems.co/e-book/
Coaching inquiries - https://odysseycoachingsystems.co/online-nutrition-coaching
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do you want to learn how to get healthy perform at your best and create body composition changes that lasts in this
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podcast we're going to talk about all things Fitness Nutrition health and mindset you're going to learn how to create real results and most importantly
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how to maintain those results in the long run I'm your investors I'm Christine and Dally and you're listening
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to talking nutrition
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what's up guys welcome back to talking nutrition today is episode 16 where we're going to talk about bench eating
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foot restriction and really fasting and we're actually going to open up a little bit more Now with uh some personal
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experiences about yeah trying you know a very restrictive protocols or doing some
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time restrict feeding but we'll get into that in a sec so as always if you don't yet make sure to
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follow us make sure to leave a review or a rating it helps us a whole ton today I want to start with
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um a little story of myself which I recently brought up where I would eat a whole jar of peanut butter with a pack
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of rice crackers which ended up being about 3 000 plus calories I looked it up actually and um
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without recapping the whole thing like I would work late get up early go to crossfits do just about two hours of
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training there so like quite a bit of training you know I would have coffee you know waited for
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work and then kind of like that was my day you know and repeat so what would happen was it sure had
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some breakfast and then I had like a protein shake after you know training by the time it was like 4 P.M I had no
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food in my system you know or very little at least
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even though I was doing a lot of training so of course the Cravings get started to kick in you know and then I would go to the store binge
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on like 3 000 calories of a whole jar of peanut butter and go about my evening
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that was more than my maintenance calories in like one sitting you know so even though I actually wanted to so I
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was trying to like be healthy then you know train and all that stuff I was taking care of myself or I thought so at least
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even though I was doing a lot of training I was not losing weight because just from that one sitting I would
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already get to my maintenance and then everything else during the day was like extra you know
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and that's exactly what happens when people go into protocols like intermittent
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fasting where there's very little education on like how much you're supposed to eat or what you should eat
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you know or things like low carb where you just focus on leaving carbs out right or leaving you know any processed
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foods out or whatever it might be a lot of times that just backfires and I
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had a similar experience with intermittent fasting where I would not eat you know for x amount of
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time I would actually do CrossFit fasted which is terrible
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um feel like crap and then as soon as I could eat it was like just just huge like pile of food you know
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and it really starts to create like a weird relationship with food and just food amounts of food choices and
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I think we have to like remove ourselves from that a little bit and focus Less on like leaving stuff out right and focus
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Less on I cannot eat after whatever time but focus more on doing
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more of the good stuff right but we'll get to that so um I think you want to share
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something about your your gut health Journey from a couple years ago right yeah I
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and I what you said there where you had this weird relationship with food but
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didn't even realize it so that was me
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in the beginning of my CrossFit career um so I was doing things like the Zone I
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did eventually get into macro tracking but what I was doing that type of when I
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was eating like that um what I would do is I would
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eat perfect you know throughout the whole week and like super clean
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and then I would have one day I think I've talked about this before potentially on here but I have one day
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where I would it would be my cheat day and I all week would I would basically
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make a list of what I wanted on my cheat day or my cheat meal and I would just go
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crazy and I wasn't like trying to diet or anything at this time like I was purely focused on performance but I
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didn't realize what was happening with my relationship with food until like I started to get a
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little bit more knowledgeable um also that doing that I would literally feel like crap for like two
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three days after because I was just in taking like all these super highly processed foods like I would literally
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just jump I was going from like I would go to like Taco Bell like I would jump
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right uh fast food restaurants and then I would even like go pick up like donuts and chips and I would just
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do this all day long and it was until I just was like this is
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crazy like you know I I realized it I don't I don't even remember what made me realize it but then I started to like
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sprinkle right the fun Foods throughout my week versus having this like one bass
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of big day and that's really when that changed things for me but when I was in
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it I didn't realize how messed up that really was right
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um until I was out of it so uh now since then
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I I mean when I was in that like I don't look back and say you know I had this really poor relationship with food
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because I had body bad body image or you know I was trying to like fulfill something it was just that's what I
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thought you did right I thought there was like massive cheat days and and whatever
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um so after that like I had I would say a very very solid relationship with food
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for from that time which was like you know I think that was like 2014.
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that was when I was doing the big binging and stuff um
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up until a couple of years ago like 2021 maybe 2020.
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um very very solid relationship with food no issues there at all
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and I have not shared this with anybody so all other than Eric and a couple like
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I think a couple other people but um I think it's important for me to share
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because it it wraps up it wraps into what we're talking about today
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um so a lot of people followed my gut health Journey um I had I have a lot of gut health
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issues from just like my past um surgeries over training all that
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stuff so I hired a specialist to help me and
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she was great like I'm I'm not talking down on her
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um in terms of this but what I went through like these protocols
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really started to impact my relationship with food so I went through it was a
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three-week detox and it was a very noticeable difference in what I look
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like like everyone was commenting on it um but I was a byproduct of the detox I
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wasn't doing it for improvements in my body composition I was doing it to start
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the process of my gut health Journey and this detox was for three weeks and
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the first two days you uh fasted so all I got on those two days was four shakes
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so I think it was like like 500 calories for the day okay uh
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and then after that the the remaining of the week you'd have a morning Shake
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you'd have a lunch afternoon shake and dinner but it was very restrictive right
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in the sense of like you can only eat x y z um you know there was there was a list
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of foods but zero process like nothing and this is you know when you're going
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through gut health protocols this is the type of stuff that you have to do right
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you you need to do the protocols are going to be restrictive and they're only
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meant to be temporary right but this was the one time in my life
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that I'm like oh my gosh like when I finished I had to be very careful with myself to
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not start to binge on certain foods like I really felt the desire very strongly
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to binge and I'm a person with a good relationship with food so I could not
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even imagine someone going through that um that
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didn't have a good relationship with food or was already dealing with you know stuff ahead of doing this
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and one thing I was doing and I bet you any money so many people can relate to
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this people who do the you know that restrict low carb or go low carb uh intermittent
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fasting you know carnivore when in real reality they don't like actually want to
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do these things right so this is like I was on Instagram
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I mean on the internet in general and just searching all of these recipes and
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desserts and stuff that I was gonna make following my protocols and like I was so
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food focused I'm like this is really bad like this is really bad
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um and so it really gave me a look into because I had never like overly
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restricted myself doing um diets because I was always
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Performance Based but it really gave me a look into how people feel
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when they are doing stuff like this right and it's and it's not sometimes
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it's not because you have a poor relationship with food it's just the way
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that you're choosing to do it you know lose fat right it's it's the diet you're
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choosing that leading to that poor relationship with food or making things unsustainable
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right because I think a lot of people they they get down on themselves too and
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they think oh I I just don't have the discipline I can't do this and blah blah
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blah blah but really it's not that it's that what you're doing is just super
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unsustainable for you um and and a very very hard to adhere to
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right so I just I think that I wanted to share that um because I think it's relatable to
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people uh but also just because it it
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showed me you know what restricting and it's crazy because like
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I wasn't restricting from a body image standpoint so it would be like tenfold
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for people in that situation so yeah it I mean I'm out of it now but
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it took a little bit for me to to essentially recover from feeling like
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that thing is too like people don't even do that on purpose right they don't know
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right it's not even your fault if you go online and you find or you literally you
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Google how do I lose weight or something you know like how do I do this I do find
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whatever it might be low carb Etc that's the stuff you find low carb
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intermittent fasting yeah keto all that and I'm not even like saying that all those tools are bad
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and let's be honest hey a lot of times we have to take people into deficit we're going lower carb because we have
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to cut calories from somewhere you know and if fats are already low then we might be on like a lower ish carve
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um protocol for a little bit but that's not because carbs are bad it's just because we need to lower calories
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but anyway it's not your fault that's what I'm trying to say it's almost like these Protocols are
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designed for you to fill which is also really not the case but there needs to be more education and that's where you
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know connect coaching again like that's where we can help you that's where coach can help you
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because we can actually walk you through hey this is how works this is what we can figure out like how we can get
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you to lose fed you to get healthy right but I feel like
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there's a wrong like there's something wrong there you know like from the very start because the principles are not
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being thought you know people think you know it's carbs people think it's
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sugar people think hey it must be fats you know and um it's just not the case
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right and I also wanted to go back to detoxes like
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the detox that you did was very different than the that you see online yes I wanted to bring
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this up because people see this online a lot too and I'm sure that when you look up weight loss you'll find a detox tea
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or detox isn't that something very different right there are detox
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supplements the protocols out there that are just money makers that just make you feel like
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what Christine did was work with a gut health professional
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who knew what they were doing yes right and you said it already like that's not
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a like a lifestyle change kind of thing that's okay we have to be very
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precisely very restrictive in that case because there is a specific
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condition that you want to take care of right and that goes beyond macros and
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calories and general like fat loss stuff yeah yeah you lost fat is a byproduct
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but those restrictive approaches there are there for a different purpose so I
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don't want people to think oh detox that's what I got to do because Christine lost a lot of weight right
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just kind of just in case you know because you see a lot of like well when I went through that and people saw
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the DraStic change exactly what I did I was like I'm not
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telling you like no way because they'll do it yeah and it'll just destroy
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someone because they'll the thing is it's is they'll do it they'll lose the weight they'll gain it back they'll try
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and do it again and it'll just be this cycle right because it's just it's not sustainable it's not meant to be
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no no it's not meant to be sustainable yeah it's a tool you know yeah
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um but that's why I really like that video and let's let's actually get into that
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because exactly that right low carb intermittent
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fasting those protocols they focus on a certain food a certain time
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with the purpose of weight loss but there was a new study
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that looked into that and the relationship between low carb intermittent fasting
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and under risk of binge eating um
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Lane I I likely yes I mean you either a lot of them already hate them but I know
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that I can tell he's like a
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how how do you explain him he'll he's just straight up but he also has
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compassion he cares a lot um so anyways watch the video it's a good
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video but I'm going to touch on a lot of stuff he he talks about so the video or
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the study recent 2022 study examining people that weren't dieting
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people doing low carb and then people doing low carb with
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intermittent fasting um but they excluded people that were
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just doing intermittent fasting um they also you know in terms of that
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they were examining the belief their beliefs around food their Cravings the inclination for them to binge eat or
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have Eating Disorders but they excluded people already diagnosed with eating
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disorders so which is really good like the setup is very solid yes
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um so a low carb diet was a eight percent women
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okay the low carb plus intermittent fasting was 98 women
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um and so and vast majority had normal BMI and normal a normal BMI in normal
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body weights what I meant to put there um so he goes into talking about how much
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just highlights and how much emphasis Society puts on women's bodies and how
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pressured we feel to look a certain way but I will add to this men are the same
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kind of like yes there wasn't there wasn't a lot of men necessarily in this study but and I think that's okay
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because a lot of studies are done on men we know that um but men deal with the same issues as
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women in terms of this so um in the local thing yeah
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sorry sorry I didn't mean to interrupt you no you're good I was thinking right there because
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there's a good chance too that dudes also don't necessarily want to be
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involved in a study like this to admit you know that they want to lose weight I
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think there's a thing there as well where dudes um there's plenty of guys struggling with
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that but they won't necessarily kind of like talk about it you know or share that
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with someone or look for help because I think that that's probably like part of it too but yeah you're definitely right
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like there's a lot of pressure on women and exactly how Lane said in that video like we have as a society we have to
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do better because it's yeah there's a lot of pressure in women's it's not a good thing big time sorry
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um great I'm good you're good so and the low carb group 40
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had significant levels of binge eating so remember these people didn't have
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necessarily disordered eating prior to going into this right so in the low carb
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group 40 percent had significant levels of binge eating the no diet group had 13
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percent so that's a pretty big these guys this
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much like this nuts yes I feel like we have to repeat that again yeah it's a
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low carb group 40 like 40 that significant levels of binge eating
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no diet group that was 13 that's a huge difference and then he goes into talking
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about the types of food they were binging on were things like bread and
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pasta and those exact Foods they
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identified as like bad or they wanted to avoid were the exact Foods they were
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binging on so it's um how did he put it
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these like really hard food rules like and having you know this uh mentality of
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like good or bad foods right those are literally the exact Foods these people
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are binging on right because of those you know hard food rules
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um then uh he said higher levels of food
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cravings for things like chocolate sub analysis of those doing low carb plus
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intermittent fasting saw even greater risk of binge eating than the low carb
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group so the low carb plus intermittent fasting was worse than just the low carb
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group and remember a low carb was at 40 percent and then the no diet was at 13 percent
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so I would I need to go into the actual studies I would be interested to see
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this percentage um so this is something straight from the
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study so it says Dieter showed higher levels of budgeting food cravings
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cognitive restraint toward carbohydrates when compared to non-dotters the association of low carb and intermittent
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fasting was really related to an increase in disordered eating especially binge eating and food craving
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specifically lack of control thoughts of preoccupation with food and guilt from
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cravings and or forgiving into them these results provide evidence that
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restrictive carbohydrate diets and intermittent fasting may increase cognitive restraint and consequently
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food cravings um and another thing that he pointed out
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was that you know often times when someone's going like low carb or they're doing
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like intermittent fasting or they're like keto or carnivore and they're in these groups and they're part of a
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community or they identify with these types of diets the guilt and the shame
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when they actually eat the carbs or they eat outside of the fasting window is
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tenfold like worst Temple because now it's part of their identity now they're
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letting like other people down right so that's another really big part of it
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and that plays into feeling like a failure again even though it's not even your fault right
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the one of the last things he said
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that really stuck out to me was you know you can choose to do these things so if
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you do low carb if you do an intermittent fasting understand that
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it's a form of like dietary restriction right like you're choosing to do it because maybe it feels easier for you or
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it's more sustainable for you verse I'm doing this because I fear carbs I think
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carbs are going to make me fat because you are quite literally setting yourself
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up for failure or like disorder eating right because
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no food in isolation so no carbs no fats
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you know Candy whatever you wanna whatever you're fearing none of those Foods in isolation are making you fat
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right it's the quantity it's the quantity how much you're having
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so again like trying to get away from the mentality and having these like
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really hard food rules um can help immensely I mean I I know it's
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way easier said than done obviously um but that's becoming that's what's
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causing you know a lot of these issues yeah and I swear like nine out of ten times
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when someone signs up for coaching they write out what they've done in the past
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it's like a combination of all of them right I tried keto and low carb and intermittent fasting
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but here they are coming to me for a fat loss call or to you in this case you know
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like those approaches can work definitely
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but they usually don't I feel like we've said this so many times on here yeah yeah
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but it's also the the one thing that so many people struggle with you know yeah
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totally so it's okay to bring it up again because that's exactly why people keep spinning
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their wheels because those restricted like if you're doing if you're doing keto or or carnivore and you're having
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binges on a bunch of carbohydrates you are not the diet is not working the
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diet is not working I have had many clients come to me doing I know I've
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talked about this keto carnivore that's all good and they're binging uh this is not working for you clearly
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right so people people like I don't know if they don't they can't like see that right but they just want to keep doing
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it again maybe it's because they're par it's part of their identity they want to say
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they're doing carnivore you know it works for a short period of time but if you're continuously having to go back to
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this diet because you ended up binging or you gained all the weight back it's not
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working it's not working I think too
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and this is literally just me thinking out loud but I think that it's also an easier thing to say I mean part like
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social media is definitely putting a huge role here with the carnivore this really pissed me off last week
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side note I saw this video this dude is literally like yo you gotta try this you know when
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you start to talk about it the molecules and this and that and he he's eating raw testicle with like a piece of butter in between yeah I
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saw that I'm like he's like he's like favorite snack I'm like this is
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not your favorite snack holy
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you can see you can see it in his face I know please
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oh man like anyway that means
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when he said this is my favorite snack I literally threw my hands up I was like
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oh I was like no I was like bloody dude and then he he
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gets into like yeah this this will give you all the signaling molecules or I I don't know whatever whatever you said
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yeah they try and sound all smart right but anyway sorry back to my point I feel
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like I have like side rounds like that all the time where like stock what is that Rose in the back
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where you start talking about like idiots on Instagram and Tick Tock no but okay like that let us play a role in
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into it you know like you see like keto stuff a lot of carnivore but the thing is too like it's easier to
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say hey I'm not gonna eat bread and pasta whatever you know because like I'm just gonna cut
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out that group because I know it's like you barely think about it you know okay that's carbs I'm not gonna eat that yeah easy right
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instead of put in time effort patience change your habits you know like working
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on your overall diet but that's a problem too because like you said you have to keep going back to
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the diet sure it can work for weight loss but how are you going to keep it off you don't because you rebound and
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then you have to go back there again so right anyway it's uh
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it's just about the way I think I think one thing that doesn't work that drives me a little bit crazy too is when people
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say that tracking macros is like obsessive and stuff like that when and
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then here they are cutting out whole food groups like both like both can
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cause issues but I can't stand when they just like focus on one thing and I think we've
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talked about this before we're like majority of my clients are tracking macros and not dieting like it it
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doesn't automatically mean you're dieting yeah right so okay I had to add that in
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again no I think that's that's a really good one and this really goes back to the same thing it's a lack of Education
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yeah because sure I've had a lot of people who said like hey tracking didn't work for me whatever
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but usually they were like not eating any protein you know like there's no context there no education they didn't
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know what to do they followed the app and since we're sharing personal stuff anyway I remember tracking for the first
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time with MyFitnessPal and you know these little mints are called like spinth you know what I want I think so I
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would track every single one of them and they're like yeah I didn't know yeah and
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it's like the thing like one is like one gram yeah I didn't know they were like
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these sugar free things and I I had to like track every single one of them I had like a a log of them you know
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um so also there like I also have personal experience with doing tracking wrong you know
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so sure like at the end of the day it can all be used to either teach you and get you to a
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good spot or hurt you but um let's let's try to like use stuff to
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learn from and not necessarily say I'm gonna do this because carbs are bad
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or this is bad or whatever is bad or I have to leave this out or I cannot eat
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from this time until then I would say like focus on the things that you can do right I know you do this
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as well like we don't focus on restriction we add more good stuff we add protein we add fruits right we add
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veggies you know um there's a time and place for leaving some stuff out you know
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let's be honest the calorie deficit we literally have to take calories away yeah but it doesn't have to be low carb it
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doesn't have to be intermittent fasting I think there's better ways to go about it same agreed
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the proof is in the pudding sorry
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how would you write you know there's stuff that lasts long term and there's stuff that's going to get you some very
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short maybe pretty good weight loss results but I mean if you rebound and you gain
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it all back it doesn't really matter I don't think so thank you guys for listening as always
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help thanks again and I'll talk to you in the next episode
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thank you