Talking Nutrition
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Talking Nutrition
23 - Bonus Q&A: Dieting Mindset, Hormones, Gaining Weight In A Deficit, And More..
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Bonus Q&A! In this week's episode Kristine and Johan talk about sticking to your diet when you're unmotivated, getting out of the dieting mindset, hormones, step trackers, gaining weight in a deficit, and more.
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Timestamps:
(0:00) Introduction
(01:51) Our old school step trackers: https://rstyle.me/cz-n/g5yn9rdbzw7
(04:39) How to stick to your diet when you start feeling unmotivated
(09:55) Hormones, menstrual cycle, and training during peri-menopause
(15:36) Gaining weight in a deficit
(23:32) Binge eating and getting out of the dieting mindset
(31:47) What if you don't want to track calories or macros?
(39:00) Outro
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a bonus episode today we uh we've been getting a lot of questions
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no idea what data is but we'll figure it out I keep it to the point here hey um so we
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we would highly highly appreciate that and uh yeah let's just jump in with the
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first question Christine yeah so I had someone ask about the step counter and
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I've posted a few times on my Instagram but I feel like people don't see all my
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content so that's cool ones yes um so I I we've talked about it before
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but I uh used to use my Garmin watch
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um which I really liked I mean I used it for a long long time and I still use it sometimes but now it's more so just for
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style because I was really only using it for steps and and a watch
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but uh I kind of wanted to get away from Electronics
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um just have days where like I was not I had nothing you know no electronics on
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me so I started I got this this pedometer um and you just clip it onto your pants
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and I started using it I'm like okay this is like way more accurate right
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um and I just started using this so it's the 3D fit bud and
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I love it um people are like well one client she started using it and she's like I keep
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forgetting to put it on I'm like okay put it in okay put it in the bathroom so
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what I do is every night before I go to bed I put it on the bathroom counter and then when I go in there in the morning I
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take it and put I put on my pants it's like making it very obvious
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um so that's like a way so you don't forget because it's easy to forget honestly uh
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anyway we're gonna put the link in the the bio no the link in the show notes
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show notes I'm so used to saying bio
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um and I really like it and you know I just I just like it from the standpoint of
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being able to kind of to unplug from like everything but I used it on a daily
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basis now so yeah yes they're good it's it's just like
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it's easy and and honestly like I used to also forget in the very beginning but it's just something that you're used to
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and I'll use it all the time and um yeah I do prefer it as well it's um actually I haven't been using my
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whoop in a long time now that I think of it basically for a similar reason I was
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like well you know it's it does add up cost wise like you know yeah I was thinking like how much do I actually use
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it because I aim to go to the you know go to bed at the same time anyway wake up at the same time
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or if if that's all like if I'm just tracking sleep then I'll just focus on consistency and just leave the tracker
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out you know yep so uh yeah we'll link that down below
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in the show notes next question from Anders who's from uh Trump said here he said how do you stick
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to your diet when you start feeling unmotivated and just want to quit now first of all actually time this
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recording I put a post up yesterday called motivation is or why
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motivation is I like motivation in a way that it can help you get a little bit of extra boost
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right like it's it's good to have motivation let's be honest reality is motivation is not going to lead to
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results things too we think we need motivation
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to get started but that's not the case like you you got to get started you gotta create momentum and then
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motivation will show up when you need it the most when you are you know when you really want to lose
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weight for example you really want to change something when things are not going to go or when
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things are not going as planned you know when things are more difficult that's when motivation is not there that's when you wish you had motivation
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so to snap out of that you're just going to start do something
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and it sounds like it's it's much easier said than done but whatever the goal is
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get going start creating momentum you know so how do you stick to your diet well first of all like that's just one
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step at a time like focus on creating something that you can stick to right and it doesn't have to be like a
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diet where it's like very strict like hey let's maybe focus on veggies and fruits and dial in those Basics you know
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are we hitting protein with every meal um maybe tracking could be a great tool and I think we actually have a question
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coming up later um with about tracking too but the reality is like we are going to feel
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unmotivated and we are going to feel like we just want to quit
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I'm biased but I think getting a coach is one of the best things you can do and it's just because you are invested in
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yourself and if you have some skin in the game like of course you're gonna pay attention though hopefully at least
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um we are also here to hold you accountable in other coaches as well it's not just to like sell here you
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know but reality is like there are going to be moments where we just don't feel like it
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so it's all about preparing for those moments it's all about creating the habits that we need to stay consistent
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and then when motivation is there great it's a little bonus you know but we just can't rely on it
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yeah yeah I agree I'll add to that um
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something so personally I am going through this with training
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um like working out which is it's such a weird thing because
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I was a professional athlete at one point like it was like my whole life right but
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um what I do and I think can be really helpful to a lot of people
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is we we talked a lot a lot about this in the course we did we did was intrinsic
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versus extrinsic motivation yeah um and one part of that that I really
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like is foreign so like eating healthy like what are
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your values right like you want to have more energy you want to
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um maybe it's lose weight to be more active with your children
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um you know different things like that like like life values what do you value in coupling that with
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um what's it what's the what did I mention I wrote a post on this recently basically
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foreign when you're not motivated you connect that uh activity or diet or
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whatever it is to your values okay so when I don't feel like working out
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what do I do I think I'm I'm thinking about my values so I'm like all right you know I'm gonna I'm gonna choose to
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work out today because I want to uh you know lower the risk of
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disease later on in my life right so something like that like that like I'm always connecting
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that that activity or that behavior to something that's really important to me
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and that way it becomes intrinsic and you're way more um
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you're way more likely to do that thing versus it being like
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you know I just want to lose weight for this wedding or you know something that's kind of superficial
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um so yeah sometimes I'm like I don't I really you know I really don't want to work out today
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um but I'm going to because it aligns with my values and that can help a lot
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yeah I think um it's also very common to struggle with feeling unmotivated 100 and um and
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that's that's exactly where the goal setting comes in and just knowing is exactly why you're doing something you
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know all righty next question
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I think my biggest okay oh sorry this is from Molly Moran so she's asking I think my biggest struggle in what I try to
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learn more about is hormone slash menstruation cycles and training at 38
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I'm perimenopausal and my energy tanks during my alluvial phase what are ways to combat that energy lost
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do you up your calories during that time focus on more iron rich foods any certain supplements to help
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um so I touched on this a little bit uh a couple episodes ago
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um that luteal phase it's fairly normal to see energy decrease a
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little bit um but if it's like impacting you significantly I mean that's something
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definitely to look more into I will up my calories or up clients
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calories if they are um you know more hungry or they feel like they need it right it's again it's
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very normal to have that increase in hunger around that time because of progesterone because we're you know our
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metabolic rate actually increases around that time um in terms of energy
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um if you're if you are seeing a significant decrease there I would
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be looking at you know potentially pulling back on training a little bit
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um I used to do this I still do it like just based on how I feel um because you want to manage
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how much stress is on the body at that time because it's already a stressful time right so like if you're a lower in
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energy and you're just like pushing through training it's making you feel worse that's a problem right so
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sometimes I will pull back on training whether it's taking an extra rest day or like
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lowering volume and lowering intensity or like doing lower impact uh
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workouts for that you know one to two weeks and that way you typically will
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feel better once it's over right your body's gonna be under less stress that
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way um in terms of like more iron Retreats yeah I mean that could definitely help
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but I'm always just focusing on you know getting in the micronutrients right and just having that you know be a focus the
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the veggies the fruits um you know protein hydration lifestyle
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stuff like making sure you know you're prioritizing sleep right that's all gonna play into that
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um another thing with our menstrual cycle that we have to take into consideration
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is what did our past like two months look
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like one to two months because that can significantly impact our PMS symptoms so
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if we have like a really stressful month we can see that showing up in our PMS symptoms they can essentially get worse
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um so obviously Stress Management you know becomes really important
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um any certain supplements to help I'm a big fan of magnesium glycinate I
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have that specific magnesium glycinate that I always rant and Rave about like it's so good
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it's from look Organics it's it's magnesium glycinate plus l-theanine um again another one is Omega-3s and
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another one I really like is a b complex which can help the energy around your
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cycle so these are all ones that I really like around the cycle
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um big one is that magnesium I usually up the dose around it as well um
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in terms of like if this continues to like if it's like significantly
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impacting you like in a very negative way like there there is some normalcy to
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this right like energy and and and things like that decreasing
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um but if it's really impacting the quality of your life you know I would be getting some testing done you are a
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perimenopausal so there are changes happening there um so I would get some testing done and
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see you know what is going on under the hood and then that way you know you can obviously like you would have to be
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working with someone whether it's like you know a naturopathic doctor or like a a nutrition coach who like really knows
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what they're doing because what I do is like I will get this testing done
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um and then I will Implement specific things based off the testing but symptoms too like we we have to treat
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the the client or the patient and not just the labs that's really important but it can give us a good understanding
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or like Baseline of like what is going on and if we can add in certain
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supplements or things like that that can help aid you know what you're doing right now but the lifestyle factors the
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you know the diet the micronutrients sleep um all of that is is going to play into to
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you know PMI symptoms so it's going to be different it just it kind of depends on the person it's hard
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to to say exactly or give you like definitive answers of like what to do
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um it's very personal yeah but those are my recommend those are like my general recommendations yes yeah
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I totally agree I think um I don't have anything to add there
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next one from at let me see D blades underscore
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fifth I like this question I have a client who's eating in a
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deficit but still gaining weight how do I ensure they continue to lose
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weight they are not in a deficit
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that's just a reality like I'm not even being funny here or the way but
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they're not in deficit they are not gaining weight in a calorie deficit
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as always it depends and I would need a lot more context here but typically
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there there's a couple things that happen you know and there was actually let me start with
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one because this is very common and I'm not telling people that they're lying but there's actually research on this
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people massively on the report when they track
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massively I'm not kidding like I always tell people like when when people are like
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either like you know stagnating or maybe even like gaining when they're supposed to be big words supposed to be in a
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deficit that's almost like one of the first things I bring up like I'm like hey I
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gotta be completely honest with you I'm not saying that you're lying to me but there's a good chance
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that there are more calories coming in than we see on paper
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within that there's two scenarios that could be on purpose could be not on purpose and some people just have to learn how
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to accurately track how to measure um some people just forget like there's
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a lot of stuff that's you know hey let's be honest like people are busy you know on the other hand there's also the the
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purposeful like not logging of stuff that could come from I mean we talked about this with Anthony
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I was like a cheating the system you know approach where it's like I just you know let me just not report it you know
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which actually wasn't the case you know with him but it's still kind of cheating this system
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it could also come from a thing where people almost feel bad for letting their coach down
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you know they want to prove the coach like hey I'm doing well you know I want to hit my numbers
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um yeah so that's one on the other hand people do adapt to a
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deficit however they would still not be gaining um so I shouldn't mix up the question
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here if they would be just kind of like staying the same weight like that's normal over time that just happens
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um and if they are consistent with tracking they're accurate with tracking they saw weight loss and then stopped
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that's like 100 normal we would just have to adjust within context we're not going to keep
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lowering calories you know over and over but that basically is how it works now if it's been a while it's time just go
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back to maintenance and focus on that upregulating metabolism possibly building some muscle or giving yourself that break to recover to then maybe go
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into a Cuts maybe a couple of months after that's another thing people don't want to hear right people don't want to be at maintenance for three months
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before continuing their cut however that is what's necessary so yeah long story
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short like I don't necessarily know what's the case here but people never gain weight in a calorie deficit
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people could stay the same weight in a calorie
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deficit if there's some bloating or water retention stress whatever
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um and if anything usually you just see slow down but gaining there's there's more calories coming in
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yeah then we know basically yeah and uh
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that's it's a hard situation honestly yeah um because you have to have
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uh kind of a relationship conversation in a way like
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if I suspect that a client isn't
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being honest like I really want like first and foremost it's really important
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right off the bat that you create a safe environment like when I am onboarding
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somebody and I'm sending them their video or like we're on the phone
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I'm very upfront in saying you have to understand that there's no judgment here
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I need to know everything if you you know have if you overeat one day or
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anything like that that's really really important for me to know so that we can you know make the adjustments that we
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need to or like talk through it and like you know so that you can get over stuff like this right so I make it very known
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right from the beginning that there's literally no judgment
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um so you need to communicate that as the coach like you got to tell them yes like yo yeah so you open with me you
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have to take Andy for example right so like this is a prime example of that where he was in a deficit with the Old
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Coach but he was cheating system where he was like binging and then he wasn't losing any weight he
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potentially could have been gaining weight um and like it's because he was he didn't
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feel safe to tell that coach what was really going on right
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um so I'll start by like sometimes I'll ask a
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client like I'm just going from like one to ten how would you rate your adherence like how have you been having any like
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extra licks extra fights kind of type thing and just start that conversation
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with them and and make them feel comfortable right because when they when they feel comfortable they're they're
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obviously way more likely to uh respond um to that so
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yeah I think in a situation like this um if they're in a deficit and gaining
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weight there's there's more calories coming in somewhere unless they've like
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become really sedentary right and like yeah yeah that's a good one yeah don't
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become really sedentary and they're not moving or they're not working out and their energy expenditure has decreased
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significantly and they're eating more calories um that's the other thing I can think of
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but that's that's what I have there okay but
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hey like look into it like that's that's your job as the coach like try to figure it out with them yeah communicate
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communicate communicate just just yeah make sure that they know that it's okay to come to you
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completely honest and then try to figure out together because hey it might as you
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know it might as well just be something tiny that they just didn't realize and it's like a super easy fix
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another thing here too is like um the deficit and like how big is it and
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is it like sustainable for well sustainable for the time being for them
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um you know where their mindset is with food because
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like if it's if it's too strict for them and they're binging right like that's
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that's probably where it's coming from so like looking at you know how steep is the deficit and is it doable for that
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person you know based off of their past right did they have issues you know with
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this before like there's so many things um to look into and to ask
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yeah okay um where are we at here what's time so
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23. the uh the bench eating one okay so what are some strategies to help
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with binge eating and to help get out of the dieting mindset um
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I almost didn't answer this question because it's binge eating is
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a complex thing that can be different
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based on a person um and what's causing it was triggering it
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it could be a multitude of like different things triggering it um because like
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for example someone could have have binging issue and it's the diet okay so
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like their diet is just super unsustainable right and they're spinning their wheels because they can't stick to
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the diet so it's like strict binge strict bin strict binge so like
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taking a more sustainable approach can solve that quite literally solve that
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problem like I've had clients come to me that are like again Andy's kind of one of them right the
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keto thing where we took him out of keto and there was other things affecting the binging too but that was like a major
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one right um so uh you know working towards that
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transition and just making a a more sustainable diet you know getting help that way to again coach can can help a
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lot um then there's binge eating where someone's like coping with something
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um that does tend to
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get out of our scope a little bit um we're like a therapist can help there
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as well if there's like past trauma um and things like that and it's you
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know kind of filling a void um then sometimes it's like a it's
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habit-based that's another one that people don't often think about we're like
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you know for example I had a client who was like in the habit of when she was
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alone she would binge or like at night sitting in on the in front of the TV
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like something like that would would create a binge like when she was bored it would create a binge so like getting
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out of a habit um yeah people around you and firemen like
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there's so many factors you know like yeah it's hard to say so like becoming aware of why this is
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happening um is crucial the awareness right of what is
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causing this because each are going to have a different process and different
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solution um based on that right yeah
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um what do you know what is on helping to get out of the dieting
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mindset now I just wanted to query the ad because you mentioned something very important
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and it is sometimes it goes beyond our scope and this is to our our fellow coaches
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if at some point like we know hey okay this is someone who's actually struggling with like
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more than what we are supposed to help people with when it's like actual like it's an eating disorder refer out that's
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totally okay that's better for you it's better for them especially for them like that's what's most important
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but I feel like especially in the beginning people might feel like
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oh I'm going to help everyone no you're not going to and that's okay sometimes we have to say hey you know
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what actually in this case I might not be able to and then other times it might just be something small we did that low
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carbon intermittent fasting episode sometimes it's just that sometimes you just need a different approach but um
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the dieting mindset and how to get out of it again like with a coach would be my
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suggestion and that's not because I am a coach but that's simply because it's difficult trust me like taking people
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into a deficit that's the easy stuff that's why most people lose weight
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the reason why most people don't manage to keep it off is that they say in the dieting mindset they are not shown
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to be at maintenance what that transition takes that transition is difficult I always
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tell people like after you're tired you're not done yet like we're still going to bring you back and
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that's why coach can actually guide you because that's exactly where it gets difficult people feel afraid to eat more
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because in our head that's like okay I'm gonna gain weight no you're not going to just talk to someone it's been
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increasing calories he's been eating 600 calories more than before now compared to like the end of his cut same
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weight pretty much the same exact rate a couple hundred grand difference you know so that's the same in my opinion
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and he was also afraid so it just takes like that trust in the process and knowing hey what I've been trying in
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terms of dieting and dieting and dieting diet dieting like how much time did I actually spent eating enough like let's
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get out of that and the accountability and having someone who knows their and knows
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how to help people with that like like that would be my suggestion like getting help yeah it is difficult let's
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be honest yeah because again like how getting out of the dieting mindset well what's
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called first place right like why are we wanting to constantly diet
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um but also education around why it's so important to get out of a dieting like
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to not be chronically dieting like as far as like you know the effects it has on your health
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um you know is extremely important there was another thing I was going to say
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um Frank I have forgot now I had something else
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um but I mean the education part like that's also what coaches yeah before at least help you with it kind of like the
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thing is is like you have to push yourself to or you want to try and push yourself to
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get out of the comfort zone like increasing your calories is going to be uncomfortable
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um you know and starting to remove yourself from that that dieting mentality but
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once you start seeing the benefits from that that helps immensely but it's like
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you kind of just have to go through it like you have to go through it you have to get uncomfortable
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to reap those benefits and understand why it's so important to
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um you know stop chronically dieting but there's there's more to it I mean again
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more we need more contacts of like why right so I'm sure if this didn't help
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you a lot it's just it's really hard um yeah to give definitive answers in a
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situation like this because there's so many different reasons why it can be happening
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and and what I'd like to do as well by the way usually when we answer people's questions I tell them
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I DM them you're like yo your question I was addressed this week if you guys hear your answer and you're
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like hey you know cool like I learned something new but I have a few more questions like hit us up yeah like totally like that's exactly why I
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mentioned like hey your question is in the episode like let's have a chat about it you know like let's maybe try to
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figure something out because there's a lot of ways you can go about it and that that doesn't
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necessarily mean like hey work with us you know that might simply mean like hey here's something you can do on your own yeah or
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here's something you want to read about you know um see I think we're at the 30 minute Mark
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yeah I'm gonna touch on this one really quickly because it's a very easy one and a quick one and then we uh we'll wrap it
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up is that cool from Ash Costa hi for people who are not
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willing to track calories macros how can they go about being in a calorie deficit to achieve fat loss
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long story short I'd like to know the reason because personally and this is my
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opinion because for sure there's different ways about it but like tracking is the ultimate way to create
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results and to learn from stuff you'll learn about portion control you'll have something that's measurable
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if you want to get to a certain way to you want to lose fat you want to be able to control that
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is not even necessarily about the exact number it's just mostly about like controlling the rate of weight loss
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making sure that you stick to it that you don't rush it for example and hey if it's going too slow that you can make an
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adjustment if you are not tracking you're basically like you don't know what's gonna you
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know what's going on you don't know where you're at you don't know where you're like that's a like it's
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um sorry I'm going to interject here first no you're good so what someone can do is like you have to
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understand where you're at from the beginning period like you need to know how much you're intaking in order to
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know how much you need to decrease essentially right so
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peace what I would do is track for two days or
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for two weeks right even if it's just like writing your food down I mean an
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app is going to tell you exactly like how much you're eating and then decrease portion sizes from
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there um that way you still have like a baseline knowing what you're having
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again but then you have to think about if you're under eating then you're going to drop your calories
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down further that can be a problem um but at least like you have a baseline
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of how much you're eating now you could say okay like if I'm having 200 grams of of rice okay I'm going to
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knock that down to 150 100 grams right and then there you're knocking down like
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x amount of calories and you can do that with different with different foods like when I'm you
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know people are when I have a client and they go into a deficit and I'll give them an example day right they're like
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oh so it's really just decreasing the portion sizes of what I'm having now I'm
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like yeah exactly like you don't have to like remove anything necessarily you're just decreasing the amount of each
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portion yeah um but yeah you have to have a starting point yeah it's hard to adjust and I like to
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compare it to like driving with navigation or driving sitting backwards with with a blindfold on
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going downhill and like you don't know where you're going you know like there's it's like you're shooting in the dark
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and and you're really just guessing at best and
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I don't think everyone should track all the time but personally
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I think the vast majority of the people should at least go through a period of
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controlling their food to learn from it to walk through different phases that's
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why we do that's why we prepare you for a fat loss phase first get the habits in place get you ready get you consistent
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then go to into a Cuts so that you know how to do this control the way out and then backup
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maintenance then say hey let's move away from it because there you know once we're at that goal weight
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we can just do without tracking it's very easy yeah the reality is your mind is going to work against you your body
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is going to work against you if you're doing it intuitively you don't know what's going on
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there are some tools that can work increasing vegetables
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drinking more water eating more protein because that's automatically going to you know help you feel satiated
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if walking more there's there's a lot you can do but what I will say
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is that foreign people in my opinion once again
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like try to be open to stuff right we're so quick to judge or to decide our
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tracking now I heard from this person like they tried and they didn't like it okay I'm not gonna do it oh I tried it once like for like 20
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minutes and then you know it's like no try this out I want you to
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track 30 days yeah actively like actually waste off
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track it Etc you cannot convince me that you will not learn anything from that
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and no it's not going to lead to eating disorders it's just going to give you a tool and we talked about this with Aaron he's
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like are you gonna like if you have money issues you're going to try to figure out a way to spend a little bit
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less and save a little bit more money right we need to learn
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how to control our food that same basically the same way yeah because typically there's a reason
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objectively speaking there's a reason why we want to lose weight in the first place
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you'll get from point A to point B um easier Plus
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uh you know it does give you in my opinion more freedom
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like yeah you have you could even do protein and calories
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um but now you have you're quantifying how much you have you're having and you can add in you know those fun foods and
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stuff to to keep you sane you know during the the deficit and keeping keep
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things in control still right like that's that's the Beautiful the beautiful thing about macro tracking I
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think people just get the wrong impression of it a lot of the time um and just our mindset around it right so
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yeah I mean again if you really don't want to do it I would um
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you could do like plates and hand portions and stuff but you know I would just get a baseline first so I would
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track for like two weeks like anyone could track for two weeks I mean come on um
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and then decrease portion sizes from there right so just see how much you're
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eating right and then if I decrease the rice or the potatoes and decrease this and go
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from there right but you but again then you have to do that on the way up right it gets difficult because people
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want a variety and then this weekend right and then everything changes
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it's hard to adjust them so you know
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It's Tricky yeah cool cool let's wrap it up
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thank you for listening we'll be back um I think we have a lot more coming up you know in terms of questions where we have
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more guests coming up next one is going to be with Cody McBroom very excited for that one I think that is going to be one of the
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last episodes of the Year let me double check yeah I think so right let me see what have we got
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December okay so yeah code is episode is going to be the last for the year so next week we'll be back
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