Talking Nutrition
Talking Nutrition is the podcast for women who did everything right and stopped seeing results. Hosted by Johan Vesters, online nutrition and functional health coach, and founder of Odyssey Coaching Systems, the show digs into what is actually going on under the surface: metabolism, fat loss, thyroid, hormones, gut health, blood work, and the mindset and behavior change that makes results stick. No crash diets, no quick fixes, no fear-mongering. Just education, real client stories, and honest conversations, so you can understand your own body, ask better questions, and take ownership of your health.
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Talking Nutrition
12 - Flexible Dieting vs Meal Plans
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Ever thought to yourself: "I just need the right meal plan"? This week Kristine and Johan talk about Flexible Dieting and how even though meal plans CAN be a useful adherence tool, they usually fail to teach you how to be in full control of your own nutrition.
Now we do think there's possibly a time and place for a meal plan in some cases, so we'll talk about both the pros AND cons.
We then go off on a tangent about the fear-mongering around processed foods and seeds oils, we see all too much of on social media these days.
Lastly we'll talk about a GREAT resource that you might want to check out if you're currently trying to figure out your nutrition; Alan Aragon's new book 'Flexible Dieting'.
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In this episode:
'Free Meal Plans' blog:
https://www.vestersnutrition.com/free-meal-plans/
'How to make your own Macro Meal Plan' blog:
https://www.vestersnutrition.com/how-to-make-your-own-macro-meal-plan/
'Flexible Dieting' book by Alan Aragon:
https://alanaragon.com/flexibledietingbook/
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what's up guys just before we get into the episode I want to apologize for the audio quality on my end I think I might
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have clicked The Wrong settings before I hit record to where my earphones were
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actually recording the audio instead of my microphone so just so you know my audio is not that great I promise you
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it'll be back to the usual from next week on but without further Ado let's get into the episode I really enjoyed
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this one and pretty sure you will as well enjoy and go time what's up guys
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welcome to episode 12 of talking nutrition it's my first podcast as a 12
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year old I lost a bunch of weights and uh you
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could really start to see it in my face right yeah oh yeah he came on Instagram this morning like he had been off
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Instagram for a week and he came on and I saw a story and I was like whoa his
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face looks so lean he also shaved his beard so that plays into it too it does
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play into it as well yeah I did lose a bunch of weight though like yeah right now
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probably 12 kilos or something like honestly like summer it's been on
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and off right like basically like I have been going for a long time but there's also been a lot of
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breaks in there right right I had like a couple weeks of Maintenance and then I wasn't touring
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it's good to be back now you know I just had a break from uh most things like
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last week in Spain took another diet break week and took a social media break and then
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um like now I'm actually back to like the last push right so we talked about this in the past the last couple kilos
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are usually the most difficult ones I'd like that to be gone like for my stomach reality is
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it's not going yet but you can see it in my face those stubborn areas
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always yeah how's your nutrition training going by the way
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good pretty good I just started so I actually have not had a nutrition coach
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for like years years and years uh but I think it isn't like I have some
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goals and some things I want to do like I wanted to go into a cut and I want to have that
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person that can look at things objectively like clearly we know what to do as nutrition coaches but there's
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still that emotional component that can get in the way and so I just believe that even the people and some of the
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best nutrition coaches in the world have coaches same with like business coaches same type of thing they all have mentors
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they all have coaches uh because they can look at things objectively in like different coaches do things differently
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so um I just started so far it's it's good
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um we're planning on doing a cut in either like starting the end of November
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going into December and I'm excited for that because I also have not done a cut in a long time like long long time
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I did I went through a lot of my gut health stuff and within that like
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it wasn't like specifically for body composition of course it was for my gut
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but because gut Protocols are typically pretty intense uh I lost a bunch of
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weight during that um so I haven't really done anything
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calorically dropping calories since then that was that was like two years ago
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um so I'm very curious to see how I respond in this one I mean probably good right if you
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haven't been like actively dieting you'll probably do great and recently I actually about I would
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say six months ago um I started to like really track my
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food again and so I reverse dieted myself and I did it pretty quickly like
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I I wanted to see how quickly I could increase my Cal or how high I could increase my calories without gaining
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like a bunch of body fat I knew I would gain some in the process and I did
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um but I got myself to a pretty good area um with calories so now I'm really
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curious to see going into the deficit where I can cut from you know what I
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mean like not having to go super low that's the benefit of like sometimes increasing calories
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um so yeah I'm just really curious to see how everything plays out yeah I mean plus you've spent time building muscle
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which is going to help like of course that's something people forget right like I got a question about this where I
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showed the graph where I lost like 10 kilos or something I got this comment she's like you know
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when the previous client of mine she's like why why is it going so quick for you you know like how are you losing like a kilo a week and and I struggled
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you know on Lower calories like well like let's not forget I just spent like you know more than a year
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actively like bulking and gaining weight and you know load of food you know like and training hard so you know
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I did the pre-work basically yeah we put on body fat I've put on body fat don't
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want to put on body fat and that way when you spend more time at maintenance and you spend time building muscle you
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will respond way better in in a deficit versus chronically trying to diet and
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being a little bit scared of of putting on body fat it's not the end of the world no I mean of course there's limits
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to that but I mean yeah of course still like the more you spend you know at
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maintenance like not dieting the better you will respond to a diet you know but
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like that's the like a lot of people maybe don't want to hear or like don't feel like it's scary for them it's
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scary for them yeah cool cool that's why getting a coach can
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help though because they can really educate you on this stuff plus they're they're able to look at things
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objectively yeah so I mean exactly that like I talked to
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a client today who is a coach I told her like sure we know these things and uh
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and after this we'll get into the actual episode but like we we know these things like you know these things as a coach
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but like that's the knowing part like the doing part is where you get the
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results and that's something we always like you know everyone has their own struggles right whether that's with
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tracking or training or you name it like we all we're humans you know
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and uh yeah Mark so short get a coach no but like it does really help like
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that's why I'm happy that I'm working with Cody like you have a coach and and that's why literally like every Mentor
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or program has like been part of like people say if you want to learn how to
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become a better Coach like get a coach you know 100 so yeah big fan obviously
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all right what do we talk what are we talking about today foreign flexible dieting flexible dieting versus
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meal plans yes we're gonna get into the the pros and cons of meal plans where I'm gonna
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say like I've been applying more of sort of a meal plan approach but we'll get into that uh recently with some people
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not that many um but yeah we'll talk about that right like where can it be a good thing where
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can it be a bad thing and not allow for flexibility
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also why we don't provide meal plans for our clients then we'll get into eating clean it
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would fit your Macros and then eventually what is flexible dieting which is the approach that we both use
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with our clients so yeah okay so let's talk on
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um the case for meal plan so like what they can provide the pros
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essentially um so they can provide structure right
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they're easy to follow they're easy to adjust like you get this meal plan Monday to Friday everything set out for
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you as far as like quantity how much what to eat so you're set up
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you can go to your store get your food make it like it takes a lot of the
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um mental fatigue or like decision fatigue out of the equation
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um can eliminate stress I have that written here and mentality that can come with trying to figure out what to eat for fat
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loss so same type of thing again you simply follow a plant you eat them out you eat this amount you see progress
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so it's it's it can take the stress out
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of it um very easy to follow but
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what are the cons well I think I think before that like
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let's talk more about like the pros like it can be very beneficial right like an Ideal World if you are actually able to
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adhere to it and that's a big one like if you actually manage to stick to it it's super effective right right
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it's super easy to stick to if you stick to the same Foods you know exactly what to eat you go to the store you know what
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to get and your coach or calculator or whatever we want to call it we'll do a little update every
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week every two weeks whatever and you'll see weight loss that you'll definitely see weight loss
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you know and if not it's usually an adherence thing this is also why I've been using it with
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a couple people this is why I'm currently on sort of a meal plan like at least during the
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weekdays it helps a lot it's very effective but there are the downsides and let's
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let's actually talk about that so just note a little room for flexibility like if you actually build your own plan if
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you learn about nutrition like when you are actually in charge of your food and
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know how often you eat you know how to put together meals in different scenarios then you are in full control
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then you can include flexibility if you are just following a plan that
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whatever coach or influencer or app for whatever gives you there's actually no room for flexibility
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because you just have to follow what it says now what happens when you go to a wedding what happens if you go out for
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food or drinks what happens if you meet up with family for Christmas like you don't know what to do then and that's
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a big stressor for people you know I mean you know that as well in a couple months it's going to be Christmas
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people are going to be stressed as because they go from the usual work
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routines they are on a roll with their nutrition they've been doing well now all of a sudden we go away we visit
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family we have no idea what to do you know I'm not making these Foods or I'm not making these meals
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how do I track this or what do I do you know what I mean so that's why I think
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personally we should actually teach you but okay I'm already getting ahead of myself
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myself it can be boring not a lot of people do very well with
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repeating meals whether that's repeating a few meals but if that's repeating every meal
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a lot of people like that so that's one other downside and
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getting back to you not learning from the process like at the end of the day sure you can get results right if you
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start to work with a coach and honestly I see that a lot in Norway and I know that this is international anyway but I
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see a lot of pts nothing against BTS not like not at all but they also have like you know
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nutrition coach in their like bio or something and then it says you know nutrition advice or whatever
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or nutritionist you know all these different terms but at the end of the day what usually it is
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it's their most EPT focus on training and then they also do
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nutrition which in my mind is kind of crazy because nutrition is such a huge part
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and it shouldn't be like this side thing and then most of those people sure they
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learn about nutrition in the course or whatever but it's not always like as in-depth as
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we go with our clients because it ends up being you know I'm a PT I'm gonna
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join this company and nothing against it like not at all not you know companies are great too but like I'm gonna join
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this company they have an app and these apps you know sometimes even automatically
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update macros or the coach kind of goes in and updates a little bit and that's fine
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but that's not coaching that's being a U.N calculator and what happens if you move away from
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that program you don't know what to do because you got the results with the plan
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now it's up to you and you have no idea and that I like I think that's an issue right I think it can be like jumping
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back to the the pros for a second um someone like first like okay
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someone first starting out in their fitness and health Journey who have no
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clue how to like build meals or like understand what to eat it can be very
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helpful at the beginning but there has to be an exit strategy right so yeah
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there are some coaches that will give meal plans but it's just for like it's temporary until they start moving into
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something else because it can help you understand how to build up Meals how to
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how much food to have in each and Etc et cetera um so I I do believe it it can help but
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there has to be an Exit Plan it can't just be you're doing a meal
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plan to lose weight lose fat and then you lose fat and then what happens then
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like you're just like uh there needs to be something after that yeah
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that's why I think it's it can be useful for sure and it's that
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learning like you might learn from that for you know multiple reasons but it's kind of the question people have
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right it's like I just need the right meal plan like no you need to learn how to put together
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your nutrition together yourself right which is the difficult part
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let's talk about what we actually don't do meal plans with our clients uh well first of all I mean I think it
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depends what state you're in or where you're at
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but most of us nutrition coaches technically cannot do that and only dietitians can
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but I know there are potentially some I'm not I have no clue which states they're in I don't even know if I can do
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them or not I just don't um because of the reasons we just talked
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about like I want you to learn how to build
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out meals I want you to learn how to be flexible I want you to learn how to
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handle situations you know when you're eating out and you have a wedding or you have any sort of social event and you
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uh when there's a meal plan number one reason that I don't do them
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is because it doesn't set you up long term for success
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and that's where I go that's the main focus of my clients is long term yeah
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so it's really easy for you and me both like by the way I think in Norway
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I might be allowed to do it I'm not sure I'm not I'm really not sure excuse me
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but same like even if I am allowed I'm not gonna do this
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I won't it's just not what I stand for and that's okay we all have different approaches um I will say and I think you probably
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do this too where I've given like example days yeah okay it's like 100
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chronometer or I do have like a meal plan thing that I have it's just like I
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give one to two example days so they understand but still within that I'm
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we're practicing flexible dieting because I'm like all right if you want to switch out like this and this switch it out like no big deal but it gives
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them an idea if they're brand new they don't know how to build out meals etc etc or like they're having trouble
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hitting their protein I will build out a day of protein for them based on their target
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so in some capacity we're doing it but it's not like you have to stick to that
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those exact Foods yeah for sure that's that's what I do as well
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and and the like sure it takes a little bit more work like let's be honest and imagine too for someone who just gets into
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nutrition tries to figure it out like I could totally tell like that's sometimes overwhelming and it's already
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like oh okay now I need to you know control my calories and also protein and carbs and fats and I need to eat more
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veggies like oh you know like that's also why we have that nor at
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least I do like that six month minimum commitment like we need time to work you through this but okay like back to the
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meal plans I like to do I like to call it the uh the perfect day of eating exercise
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where I basically tell people you know when they sign up with me not right away but couple weeks in I say okay
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we've been controlling calories and protein and I think it could be an idea to switch to macros but let me actually
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show you how to hit that what I'll then do is I'll show them the temples that we have which are super
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simple so if you work with both me and Christine we made the sheets are together basically like we actually have
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something in our sheet that takes your daily macros and breaks it down into daily meals you know how many you want
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to have per day based on training Etc but okay I take that and I show them in chronometer hey this is how I would do
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it right these foods are not magic or anything but this is how I would do that with your Macros okay cool
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now I'm going to show you how to add your protein and we add the carbs fats and the fiber Etc we come up with a
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framework and then I delete the whole thing I don't I don't leave it in their
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chronometer like I'll I'll do it in the video like I'll delete the whole thing I'll tell them now you do it you know
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that's a great exercise it's it's something that is annoying yeah and we go back and forth because especially in
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the beginning if you're completely new like it's a lot to figure out but if we actually go back and forth now we can
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actually teach you how to do that yourself and that's really where I think if you can come up with a perfect day of
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eating based on some of the guidelines that we'll talk about in a sec like that's I've said this before but
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like that's probably most of the work already like share like we might want to adjust here and there but that is how
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you do tracking macros the right way and if you have that day to always fall
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back on and this is the same with the meal plan you can actually take that remove a whole meal and then all you got to do is
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just fill in that little Gap another whole day you know so there's still a lot of room for flexibility
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cool let's talk about flexible dieting then and um I was gonna get into like any
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comedian versus if a fish or macros but I'll just keep that short and by saying that a lot of people take it to the
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extreme right it's either I'm just eating clean all the time or it's if it's fixed your Macros which
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basically is as long as whatever you eat fits into your Macros food quality does not matter which
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does seem to work however you might be making more difference people people confuse flexible dieting
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with If It Fits your Macros not the same thing it's not the same thing and actually flexible dieting doesn't even
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necessarily mean tracking macros either so uh I'm gonna go into that in a bit
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but yeah you can continue going on with what you're saying sorry I interrupted you no no you're good no that's fine like
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basically that's that's what I was gonna say like yeah they like you you know that classic classic case where it's
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like hey I can't lose weight you know even though I'm already just eating small meals I have like a salad and like
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it's all like super clean you know where people sometimes end up under eating struggling building muscle Etc and on
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the other hand there's like I'll just eat ever eat whatever I want and it just doesn't matter you know so
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usually this is with anything nutrition like usually it's somewhere in the middle right food quality
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does not necessarily matter for fat loss however if you just eat trash typically
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your results will be trash and adherence will be very difficult well your your health will decline
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there's a difference between there's a difference between like you could you could do If It Fits your Macros and you
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could lose body fat but let's actually take a look at Health when you're eating a bunch of Highly processed foods
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because you could technically eat McDonald's every day and be in a deficit
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and lose body fat but what is that really gonna do to your health yes I mean short term like that that might be
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beneficial from like a fat loss standpoint depends just doing it yeah you don't
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want to do that right and I use this as an example in my in my seminars that I've been doing where I actually talk
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about that where you know the twinkie diet I talked about um Jordan's side who did like the Big
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Mac Challenge and he was a professor who had McDonald's for six months their blood markers improved
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because they lived in a calorie deficit they lost body fat but still like he didn't
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stick to that long term they didn't necessarily like that's not like a lifestyle thing you know right that's
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why I also said like for fed loss specifically not for health but for fat loss you can do it but okay I actually
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really liked what Jordan side did uh because there are the kind of extremes
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where people think you like you can't have any sort of processed food right so there's the there's the people who like
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eat a lot of processed food whatever highly uh highly processed food and then
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there's the people who like think you need to eat like super super clean and like Johan just said it's kind of like this like I would say it's balance but
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you still can have both and lose fat but he um he had he did a deficit calorie
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deficit and he had a Big Mac every single day but he stayed in his calorie
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deficit and he lost he lost fat and I think it I just do I think he said that
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like you probably shouldn't be having a Big Mac every single day but he was
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proving a point that you can absolutely have these processed foods and still
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lose fat and actually still be healthy in some capacity again it comes down to
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it comes down to these highly processed foods just not dominating your diet 100 and unless not forget that health
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includes your social health right and doing
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things you enjoy and going to places with friends and family and how you feel around nutrition and not restricting
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like just so much else that plays into that hey if you want to have a Big Mac every now and then right that's cool
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that's so fun yeah so let's talk about that let's talk about how we can be
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healthy and flexible at the same time so for me for example I think we've
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talked about this already but like I
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love sweets okay I love sweet food
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um and so I have something basically every
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single day um the thing is though is my focus and my
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main priority and my majority of my food is whole sources of food
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okay so like all my meals have a protein Source they have a carb Source they have
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a fiber source I would say 95 of them um and then like after lunch if I like I'll
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make dessert if I want with like dessert I'll have my dessert if I want like some chips or whatever like I'll have some
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chips and I just feel so good with that and I mean so do a lot of my clients
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it's what I bring to my clients as well um it keeps things sustainable for me
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I'm not going to any extreme of like too clean or going the opposite way
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and it works I mean it works for myself it works for pretty much all my clients
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saying so yeah same for me same for my clients like it definitely works I got that question on Instagram the other day
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like how often I eat highly processed foods I'm like well I personally don't
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have like fast food and stuff like that uh that's something I just like stopped doing years ago
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um I also have like sensitivity so like I don't eat that kind of food can you yeah we just talked
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about it um I don't because of the sensitivities and I'm I'm conscious of the ingredients
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that I eat you know it's something that I pay a lot of attention to um
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but I mean I'm eating processed food every single day majority of us are
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and that's cool yeah that's cool like we processing is not even necessarily a bad
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thing I know and that's that's something that is often misunderstood
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yeah because like I mean you'll you'll go on social media and you'll see
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everything being demonized whether it's seed oils and all the I'm sure there's a couple things there where you
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you know like seed oils that we don't want to have too much all the time I got it I gotta give you an example of
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something yeah I made these chocolate things okay
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I posted posted them Instagram they're fantastic they're so good they're like peanut
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butter pretzel uh banana and they're they're finished in chocolate like the
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whole thing's covered they're so good it's my last post
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and I wanted to post this because I thought it would be a good Learning
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lesson but I didn't because I didn't want to like call this chick out because I know she wasn't trying to like
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be of harm in any way but it's the mentality
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um that I kind of wanted to talk about so my talk that I was using is Lily's
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chocolate Okay so it has like sunflower oil in it and she comments
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not the exact this isn't the exact words but she essentially was like like these look good I don't use lilies
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because they use sunflower oil and then like what are they called quotations or whatever she put highly inflammatory she
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goes I use Hue chocolate instead and I'm like see this is this is
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the extreme right like if your diet doesn't
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consist of all seed oils and vegetable oils if you're having them
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once a while or like even like once a day like it it's not going to be highly
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inflammatory that that's completely like that's false and so this is like the
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fear-mongering right that people are seeing on on Instagram and stuff and I
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will be honest I fell into this I fell into oh my gosh I could not have
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seed oils I cannot have vegetable oils and I'm like what am I doing like what
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am I doing I'm falling into this trap and uh obviously the more we've read like we
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just know that this is untrue um but unfortunately like she has fallen into that like I'm having this chocolate
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once a day freaking who cares even maybe twice a day like this much it is not
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gonna be highly inflammatory to me right so I just thought I I really
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wanted to touch on that no I love that you brought that up because there's so much of that right
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and I I I hate this guy I can't I don't know what he's called but he pops up on social media on The Tick Tock everyone
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then James Smith he did like a few he did like a few uh like call out videos
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on him but like this is dude and he goes so he grabs like an apple
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and he points at like the number you know and it's like these numbers mean
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whatever and pesticides and and like yeah sure it's because someone is a
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Apple like that's their health issue you know or the same same dude grabs like a ball
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of Coca-Cola and it's like this contains like aspartame and then they eat
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I mean to his credit like this like that's how you get reach on social media
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right like that's how you know if you post that stuff because if I get to you with a micronutrient or a little
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compound that you have no idea what it is and you struggle with your health or your or your Fitness or whatever
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you must be you must feel like oh like maybe that's a problem right it must be the artificial sweeteners or it
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must be highly inflammatory you know tiny bit of sunflower oil that's
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sunflower seed oil that's in my chocolate you know like uh oh and and there was one girl uh it
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was a really good Learning lesson for her and experience I loved it um it's kind of like the same thing she
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said she was like fearing these Foods because of the vegetable oil and and I I wrote back to her and I was like
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dosage always determines the poison in most cases so if you're having these
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Foods all day highly processed foods all day blah blah blah yeah it's gonna be highly inflammatory for having it here
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and there and it's in very small or just small portions like it's not going to do
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anything so I like I always think about that dosage determines the poison in
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most things yeah so I wanted to touch on that but anyway we kind of went on a
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trip all right that's okay that's fine I feel like this this has been a great episode
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so far so I'm I'm loving it but um let's uh let's keep it at that like
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Fitness you know nutrition it all has to be like the extreme side of the spectrum
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right clean eating versus if it's if it's fish or macros I swear I was going
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to keep this bit short but okay it is low carb you are sorry it's like
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full-blown like keto or it's high carbs there's nothing in between it's vegan or carnivore it's you name it you know
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right it's usually somewhere in the middle and that's maybe a good segue to just
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our actual flexible lighting bin yeah so um what it is you know yeah Alan Argonne if
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you're watching this he came out with a flexible dieting book I'm actually holding the book up so people are
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watching it can see it uh Alan Argonne is
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fantastic a very logical person um you should follow him on social media
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I love his posts okay um so he just came out with his book flexible dieting
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and it's really solid I think like if you're into this space at all you want
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to learn more this is a really really good book to learn from um so I'm he he says here the bombshots
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with true flexible dieting accommodates degrees of rigidity so he's he's gonna I'm gonna read his
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um basically definition of flexible dieting Okay so
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flexible dieting involves individualizing the degree of dietary flexible flexibility or rigidity it also
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individualizes the Precision of tracking and accountability some folks can sustain practice of gram tracking just
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fine and some even enjoy it some folks would rather track portions at each food group as in traditional
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exchange systems used in dietitians other approaches include tracking just protein and calories or just protein
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there's also the option to not track anything at all in the formal sense rather you just maintain an awareness of
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your requirements for the least for the least amount of dietary variables that still allows progress or
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maintenance of progress this option involves developing your awareness of hunger and satiety cues
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flexible dieting encompasses all of these approaches which are covered in this book remember that flexible dieting
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is not a specific diet it's a style of dietary control
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so dietary or flexible dieting can involve
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you know people going into like for example like uh bodybuilders
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right A lot of them do take like a flexible dining approach they're going in and out of phases right they're not
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just sticking to like one thing so it's like it's kind of like all encompassing
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um so it could mean that it could mean tracking macros it could not
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right um it's not this just like one thing
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right so there's another thing um
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I want to touch on here too [Applause] wait it's back here
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so he's talking about uh flexible dieting versus rigid rigid
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dieting um and there's some studies that he references here and I I wanted to just
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touch on them so in 1999 Smith and colleagues found that flexible dining
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was associated with lower body weight and absence of overeating and lower levels of anxiety and depression
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conversely rigid dieting was associated with overeating increased body weight also in 1999
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I can't even say this Weston Holford and colleagues formally validated the
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concepts of flexible and rigid restraint across a range of populations They
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concluded that rigid control is associated with greater distance disinhibition higher body weight and
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more frequent and severe episodes of binge eating while flexible control is associated with the opposite outcomes
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including a higher probability of long-term weight loss maintenance in 2002 Stewart and colleagues found that
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rigid dieting but not flexible dieting was associated with eating disorder symptoms body image disturbance
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disturbance and higher BMI foreign
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so it's in your hands what would you rather do yeah and this is where tailoring the whole
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process to you like is important right and you can't do that with a traditional
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meal plan I'll add that right a traditional your plan you can do that with a calculator or a
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program I'm sure that's probably stuff that's you know apps and stuff that are getting better and better
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but working with a human with a coach who could actually help you know you
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figure out what flexible dieting means to you I think that's the way to do it
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personally hey I'm biased because it's the way I do it it's the way you do it we see results with it so yeah must be
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some truth in there somewhere right right cool
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I love this episode actually that was a great one touched on a lot of good stuff and uh to
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kind of recap we we talked about the pros and cons of meal plans uh why we don't do them but how you can
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actually still learn from them if you build it yourself regards on what flexible dieting is and
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we kind of went on the side tangent about uh social media and like the extremes of where people kind of
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demonizes one thing like a compound or food or food group you know
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context matters it's a dose of makes a poison lastly
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if you'd like I do have a free meal plan article on my website which I'll link
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where I give you two examples one for fat loss one for muscle gain for both male and female
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just for inspiration then I also have another article that basically teaches
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you how to calculate your Macros break them down into individual meals so you
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can build your own macro meal plan um so I'll link those down below we'll link the book as well because I think
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Alan Aragon is a great resource there is like we're not affiliated or anything we don't get anything from that
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book link we just love it as a resource so that being said what's up
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there's uh uh Eric's daughter colored me this little thing oh yeah
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sorry yeah yeah people are probably like what is it I didn't even see that
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I I minimize the screen so I have my notes up here yeah okay okay awesome for
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anyone watching there's like a little like cats in the background that's like
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scribbled you're probably like why is that up there people always might be
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wondering as well what a why there's a cloudberry grenade
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a friend of mine drew that and uh cloudberries are like these berries that only grow in the Arctic which is where I
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live
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it's pretty cool he um like 10 years ago when I did my first tour with the band I
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played with he was playing FaZe And he as he was drawing that so he just came out with this one I was like oh I
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gotta get that you know it's just cool yeah that's sweet and uh yeah great episode we'll uh we'll talk soon
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again next week next Monday thanks for listening guys