Talking Nutrition

42 - [Weight Loss] How Johan Lost 30kg And Kept It Off

April 24, 2023 Kristine Andali & Johan Vesters
Talking Nutrition
42 - [Weight Loss] How Johan Lost 30kg And Kept It Off
Show Notes Transcript Chapter Markers

This week Johan takes you back to 2012 to share his personal 30kg weight loss journey. We discuss the struggles and mistakes along the way, and how it ultimately turned into a passion for helping people like yourself, achieve their goals.

From the misinformation you find online and the misleading documentaries, to the restrictive diets and supplements marketed in mainstream media, not much has changed the past 10 years.

People still struggle with the same issues, and we don't want you to be one of them.

Johan’s story shows how despite the inevitable obstacles along the way, you can most definitely reach your goals. As long as you keep showing up.


To learn more about Odyssey Coaching System's brand new group coaching program, which is now open for enrollment (Next round starts on May 1st): https://bit.ly/3ZsXcgH

To join KA Nutrition's live event with guest speaker Ray Gorman: https://bio.site/kristineandali


TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Introduction & Updates
11:41 Everything Changed In 2012
18:49 Nutrition Was The Hard Part..
26:25 Mistakes Made Along The Way
36:33 Becoming A Nutrition Coach
43:05 Outro



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Johan Vesters:

What is up? Ladies and gentlemen? 42 Talking Nutrition 42 How are you Kristine?

Kristine Andali:

I'm good. I'm really busy

Johan Vesters:

saying, I feel like every week, we're just like, Oh, it's just busy.

Kristine Andali:

I feel like the most busy I've ever been right now.

Johan Vesters:

As year has been like,

Kristine Andali:

I was just gonna say that it's like this year, like, starting in December, I just got like, robot, there's never like, I have to, I have to force myself to like, take a minute, because there's never a minute or like, I don't have something I could work on. You know what I mean? Like there's always something to be to be working on. So it's a good thing, though.

Johan Vesters:

That is good. It is good. And that's kind of like what we want. You know, we have our own businesses. So it's, it shouldn't be like that. But there just seems like that's one of the harder things though, because there's always like something like nagging in the back of your head like, this has to be done. This needs to get done.

Kristine Andali:

Well. Yeah, me and me. And Eric, when we went to that cabin, we he looked at me and he's like, I can never relax. I'm like, same, like, I was like, I'm like, literally like we're in this cabinet. And we're physically relaxing. But mentally, we are not like our brains are both just going like what we need to do with work. I'm thinking about clients. I'm thinking about what it is like, I don't know, unless I drink. I cannot like settle my mind. And I'm not going to do that. So maybe maybe I'll get some like, weed gummies or something. But then I'm afraid of having having too much. Do the gummies give you munchies though.

Johan Vesters:

So I did smoke weed when I was a kid. And I'm from Holland. So it's always been like, well, it's not officially like legal, but it's like tolerated or whatever they call it, but like I didn't mess around it that much. You know with it that much. Because I just drank a lot back then. You know? Yeah, so like, it's not a great combo combo, but I think it really just depends what you're getting. But yeah, I see a lot of good stuff even on CBD and shit. You know, maybe that's a good one.

Kristine Andali:

Yeah, I think I might like try gummies or something. I tried them a while back, like a few years back, but I don't think I took enough because it like nothing happened to me. Like I didn't do anything because I was so afraid of going overboard because I've seen people go overboard. It's scary. But I used to smoke weed as well. I was a bad kid. Yeah, I did bad. Yeah. It's not a part of most people know about me to be honest. But like, not my podcast knows. But like, I mean, it's not that smoking weeds bad. That's not what I'm talking about. But in those days, I used to smoke a lot of wheat and oh my gosh, I would get the munchies so bad. And it's like I wanted, I wanted like different textures and different tastes and all of these different foods. Oh my goodness. Yeah. So I'm like, if I do that, I'm gonna be eating pickles and chocolate.

Johan Vesters:

That's a fun combination to pickles. I think I don't know for me, it was just kind of like, well, I drank a lot and it's just a shitty combination. You know, like the couple of times I really did like smoke a lot of weed. I just like I would just get really sweaty first and then go into like zombie mode.

Kristine Andali:

Yeah, you get you get this spin. When you anytime I've drank and smoked weed, I start spinning like crazy. 100%

Johan Vesters:

That's what happened. Yeah, it's terrible. And then I would sit down because it was always like, like a show or something, you know, local show. And then I would just sit down on like a barstool or something. Try to keep my eyes closed, you know? And like this one, I was like 1415 You know, but like, you're sitting there and just feel completely like shit and just have to go out and then so she's done for the day. You know?

Kristine Andali:

You're just Samia like almost green. We actually in Canada, in Canada anytime like one of our friends would puke from drinking too much we call that a whitey because they would just go so white. And then and then if they it happened with weed we call them grinning out because they literally just like turn green shit. Jesus Yeah. We anyways,

Johan Vesters:

I mean Do we actually we did have a lot of nights like that where a lot of us, so we would drink a lot. And a lot of us would actually like puke like, almost on a weekly basis. Sometimes we took it too far sometimes, you know, we just dumb shit, you know. But we'll talk about my previous habits and then a little bit, which by the way, it's not even that bad. It was just doing like, Kid shit, you know, like you start drinking, you mess around, and then you burn. Right? Like, yeah, yeah, it's nothing too crazy there, you know. But let's actually talk about that stuff. So today, I want to share a little bit about my story. Kind of like, the moment where for me, it was kind of like, Okay, that's it should needs to change, you know. And just kind of like over the years kind of stuff that I tried, which most people are still struggling with a little bit about the fitness space in general, online, in particular, the information, the misinformation, and we'll just see where does that conversation that leads us, you know, and then ultimately coaching, of course

Kristine Andali:

not really, other than I just posted it today, I'm bringing our I'm inviting my followers to the next guest speaker that I'm having, which is next week, April, at or Wednesday, at 6pm PST, you can see the little infographic on my Instagram. And then you can just pay and I'll send you the link via email and then I'll add you to the calendar invite. But really looking forward to this one like So Ray Gorman, we had him on here, right. And he was he's the guy who brought me back to health after you know, going through all my surgeries and all that, and he's just such a wealth of knowledge, but we're gonna be really talking about talking to the Gen pop more of like, you know how like stress and sleep can impact performance and how to adjust training, like when you're super stressed and going over, like training as a stress reliever, you know, things like that. The importance of rest, I think this is really important for, you know, a lot of people to hear so that I would bring it to the public. I'm also Casey Joe is coming on as a guest speaker as well. The end of May, and she's going to be talking on the science of self control. So I'm going to offer that to the public as well.

Johan Vesters:

That's super cool. Awesome. We'll link that below as well, if you want to check out the episode with Ray just looked it up. That was episode 28. Definitely want to check that one out, too. Yeah, that was one of my favorite conversations so far. Now. That's cool. So that's really cool. On my end, the group has been going really well, it's really cool to see people kind of create wins, we're now three weeks into that group program. And now you're really starting to see kind of like change, you know, people are not losing a whole lot of weight, but they're losing centimeters and inches, you know, which is a big realization for people now. So like, oh, shit, actually, I'm eating way more than I used to, which for a lot of women has been quite tough to get into right, especially mentally. But the energy is way better than losing inches. And now people are actually starting to lose weight as well now that we, you know, adjust stuff. And it's really cool. It's really cool to see people kind of get excited and see those little changes there, you know, that go beyond just a skill. So that being said, I am opening up 10 more spots for our beta testing cohorts. So that's going to be May 1. So that's a couple of days after this episode launches, really? Yeah, I'm stoked. It's gonna be basically a week after this episode launches. So if you want to be one of those 10 people, we'd love to have you obviously, it's still kind of like in the in the beta testing phase, but it's exciting. It's really cool. So very much enjoying that. So we'll I will link that below as well.

Kristine Andali:

So is it free? Or is there a price or what?

Johan Vesters:

No, so that's that's a group coaching program where so that's not free.

Kristine Andali:

Oh, got it. Okay. Yeah, so

Johan Vesters:

that's new. I did. I did just start that with with 12 people in April now. So it's the first group coaching option basically. Which, also for me, it's kind of like something new to learn, which is really fun, you know. So we're still doing like individual macros, but it's like a biweekly check in so it's a little bit more of like a, you know, general help, questions, those kinds of things. It's all in a group setting. We do weekly office hours. going to be adding a training program in May as well. So kinda like building this out. Now, you know, which has been really cool. First group was super cool. People are very involved in Uh, yes, it's exciting. I like new shit. You know what I mean? Like, oh,

Kristine Andali:

yeah, that's something I've thought about doing too. But I haven't done it. But so like, where are where are you housing those people to talk? Like, is it a Facebook group? Is it WhatsApp?

Johan Vesters:

Yeah, yeah. So it is a Facebook group, the course or I have a course portal on my website now, which we could potentially build, almost like a social media platform on top of that, which is like a basically plugin I could be adding eventually. So that is potentially going to happen in the future. But for now, it's a Facebook group, it's a little bit easier people are on Facebook already. It's just easier to share stuff. You know, like a daily post, we have our office hours there's q&a is it's just nice to share stuff there. You know. So it's been a it's been fun. It's cool. See, love it. Just wanted to make nutrition coaching, like more available to people. Not everyone is ready for one on one, or can afford it or combination. So it's a, it's going to be the second option, basically. Awesome. Now, let's get into the episode. So where to start? I think I want to start in 2012, where I kind of had that realization moment. So we just kind of talked a little bit already about like the drinking stuff when I was a kid. And this was really to be honest with you the drinking, that was like when I was like 14 until maybe 18. The most like 18 ish was the most and then it already kind of just gradually went less and less. So the drinking was only back then, you know. I quit drinking in 2012 already. So this is before that moment. Just because it was just like a gradual thing and just got over it. So that was my first kind of big decision that year, you know, no, sort of second, two weeks before that I quit smoking. So that was the first one used to smoke a pack a day. Not great for your health. Obviously. It was to this festival. And I swear like I must have been smoking all day, because I smoked two big packs of cigarettes in one day. It's like 60 cigarettes or something. And I remember like, the next morning I woke up and it was like, like, you know, yeah, breathing like that. It was like, I don't know what the right word is for it. But it was very nasty. Brian shed kind of coming out of my throat and I was like That morning, I felt so shitty. So sick. I was like, Yo, I gotta quit, you know, so I have one more cigarette that evening. And that was it. So that was the kind of like, the first big step for me, you know, then I quit drinking two weeks later. And I was like, You know what? I might as well just quit altogether and see how this goes. So those were kind of like the first steps. Okay, let's fast forward a little to that moment. Right. So we were on tour in Brazil, with the band I just started playing with. And we're just about to get ready to go on stage. And there's kind of like this hall going from the vexation of stage, there's a big mirror, you know, and I just put my guitar up my neck, I just kind of turned around, you know, just waiting. And I just look in the mirror afrik got to do something about this, you know, I was like 110 kilos, which is like 230 in pounds, I think two or 30. It did not work out. So it was not. I'm not gonna say not any but there was very little muscle mass. So it was a little chunky, you know? But now like, my energy sucked, I just, I really felt like I looked like shit. You know, I felt like shit. I would be just out of breath in no time. And I was just not in a great place. You know what I mean?

Kristine Andali:

So you just get a feed from No, nothing like no background on nutrition. Not in like a lot of sports. Like, nothing like that. No, I didn't. But that makes that makes this story better. Because I think it is easier like me, for example, I came I rate from a young child. I was in gymnastics, right? And then I was in soccer. And I was in Taekwondo and like my family, I mean, kind of in terms of nutrition, like they did say some stuff to me as I grew up, so like it was kind of in my ear. But coming from nothing like that. And then seeing where you are now like you did that yourself. Right? So that's really cool.

Johan Vesters:

Yeah, thanks, I think I mean, that does also show that's actually good point. It does show like Hey, guys, like whoever's listening who's maybe struggling. You can do to shift right? Like if I can, you can most definitely lose way too. You know, like, actually, you know. So what it was right. So back then, like I said, I didn't really do sports. So I did judo when I was a kid when I was really young. And I did field hockey for a little while, which is kind of like, like big in Holland, you know, just wasn't really my thing. And then I did play baseball actually, for a little while, and that I loved. I've always been like a fast runner, I just couldn't go along. But it was actually pretty fast. And I liked that thing as though I've always been just like, focused on music. God was a kid, I played the saxophone, that I got into playing guitar. And it was always just music focus. So that was kind of my thing, you know. So we're in Brazil, going back to that moment. And I was just in a shitty shape. You know, I just didn't feel good. I already had like, zero confidence, but like, the body composition didn't help, either, you know. So, altogether, it was just kind of a no, it's just done, you know, so we flew home. very next day, just sign up to the gym. You know, grab my bike, what did the gym and remember, because I got that first workout program, you know, like the trainer there to kind of show me around. They had like this old school, like a huge, you know, printer. And I printed out my workout program and had like, the images like showing how to do it, you know, with a checklist and had like, it was my first workout program, which is really cool to think about now. Now everyone's just like on their fucking

Kristine Andali:

Oh, man, you go to the gym, and everyone's just on their phone.

Johan Vesters:

So just like lifting and unlike Yeah,

Kristine Andali:

I used to, like the paper, right? I'd have a paper and like, write it down. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Actually, it is great.

Johan Vesters:

Yeah, I like that, like I've been, I've been way more into, like, that kind of stuff, like writing shit down and journalling all that. Like, I've been trying to keep my phone off as much as possible. But anyway, speaking of distributing distracted now, like, I started working out and just try my try to figure it out by myself. You know, I did start running as well. I remember I did my first run, it was five minutes. High was

Kristine Andali:

Oh, yeah.

Johan Vesters:

I remember I was using the like, I think I still have it in my log, the Nike running app. It was rough is really what it was. It was rough. You know, it always

Kristine Andali:

is, though. At the beginning. I'd say you got to push through that part. 100%.

Johan Vesters:

And you know what it was, so I didn't know what that was that switch in my head, you know, but I fucking did it though. And like, I went for that fit that five minute run, and it completely sucked. But the next time, whatever that was the next day to day after it was like 10 minutes or something, you know what I mean? So I just build it up. And I really did like that app, by the way, I fucked up my knee running, which is why I don't run. Because that has happened multiple times. Like I got really into running and then a mess on Monday. happened a couple of times, you know. But I really liked that it kind of gave me you know, something to follow. And that's why also even though I tell people like hey, you need a program, you got to have something to follow along. Because if you do random totally, if you do random shit, like, yeah, you're gonna lose weight, build some muscle, but it's not going to be great, you know? But okay, so that's the movement side of things, you know? That on the food side, that was a little bit more tricky. As we know, not so bad. I've done this thing, too. This is 2012. And over the same age, so. So 2012, you know? Yeah, of course, the magazines, which I wasn't really reading, but that's one of the main things in the forums, which were to complete, like, wild west is like Reddit these days and something. Yeah. There were some documentaries, but they were there was like, no Netflix or anything. So I was like, illegally downloading shit, you know? And, and what else? Yeah, just Google, you know, some articles. But even back then it really wasn't that much, you know. So, now I'm like, trying to figure out stuff I'm trying to, you know, download my fitness pal, which was just coming around, and obviously, you know, just lose one plus kilo per week rate. So I got on way too little academies there. So I tried a whole bunch of stuff. I'm trying to think so first of all, with my fitness pal, I think that was probably the first one where I started tracking, and I had no idea about protein or anything like that. I had no idea about the targets, or percentages, or you know what I mean? Like, I know, there was no education there, which makes sense, you know, but I still to this day, I really think there should be almost like a onboarding mini course for people you know, who want to do that on their own. But anyway, you know, I had no idea what to do. So tracked, you know, I had way too little calories and it was just, I couldn't stick to it. You know? Then we'll overdo it. I lost some weight when I would come back. Then there was a documentary. I watched a few but I think must have been what the health are. There is one I forgot what it was. But it was like,

Kristine Andali:

Wait, the vegan one? No. Well,

Johan Vesters:

it's one where basically this dude goes around the US. And he just has people just do like juice. Like, that's all like, that's all you know. That's all you do. You drink like green juices, you know, so. So try that for like a week.

Kristine Andali:

It was the worst. Yeah. And people are still doing that.

Johan Vesters:

Yeah. Nice. Yeah. You know. So I think that documentary, maybe it was Forks Over Knives or whatever. I can't remember like one of those, like, you know, yeah. You know, just bullshit documentaries that you're like, Yeah, sure. Maybe you're having people on like green juice for a couple of weeks. Like, of course, you're gonna lose a whole bunch of weight. But like, is it gonna last? Well, no, well, definitely did it for me. And it definitely doesn't for like nine or 10 People still these days, you know?

Kristine Andali:

Oh, that's when we really see like poor relationships with food. Yeah. Come

Johan Vesters:

up. Yeah. And then, you know, it's just you just try shit. And it's the same story over and over again. And, you know, I tried a few other things. But without getting into everything, oh, maybe the supplements, so supplements ahead. You know, I remember, like, I just started working out, you know, just out of running. I had like, the pre workout, the post workout and then I had like the casein for night. And I had like this creatine, and I think there's something else, you know, like, it's fucking like a fat burner, also. And you know what I mean? Like, all that stuff? And we all know, yeah, these days? Well, no, I know. That also, they're like, Did it help? Potentially? Like, I mean, the protein? Yeah. The creatine. Yeah. But the rest is just a waste of money. Creatine

Kristine Andali:

probably would have helped just from you being like a noob. Also, you being a noob would have been, you know, main reason why. But that's, that's, this is what we see very often is like people have like all the supplements, yet their nutrition isn't dialed in. Right. And so there's that disconnect there.

Johan Vesters:

Yeah, I still get that too. You know, you got someone on new clients excited, you know, I know heard about the supplements is sure to take this. And so I'm like, No, let's just wait a little bit. You know, it's good to

Kristine Andali:

save your money.

Johan Vesters:

Let's focus on the important stuff. But so I tried a whole bunch of stuff, you know, and at the end of the day, like, did some work? Yes. Did I lose weight? At the end of the day? Yeah, I did. You know, but it was like this, because I couldn't sustain like, more than half of it, you know, but eventually, I kind of figured it out. Now what the biggest thing was, is when I got into CrossFit, and this must have been 2013. So that's also quite early, I guess. But it's not the very beginning of CrossFit. Yes, it's still

Kristine Andali:

early days. Yeah. Yeah, early days,

Johan Vesters:

which I loved. You know, I was I was waiting, I was like, hoping for a CrossFit gym to open. And it finally did, so I sign up, like, right away. And that's, like, that's what I got my first kind of like, actual help, you know, that was useful, you know, and my coach at the time, we're still in touch every now and then he's great. He, he kind of helped me there with a little bit of basic info a proteins and carbs, and you know, which foods to eat. And I remember I asked him, like, so. So what about like fats? You know, healthy fats? And like, how much do you need and all that stuff? And he was like, well, basically, if you just eat like a handful of nuts or something, like pretty good for a day. That's your baseline, you know? So as long as is that that basic? Yes, you know, you just need to eat those healthy fats every now and then get some nuts and seeds, etc. Right? Of course, that was the only thing to eat but like that's kind of like some basic stuff. Okay, have some some meat and fish, whatever, you know, dairy products, just normal shit. And the more I just had those basic things in my routine, the better the results were, you know? So basically, like my next kind of mirror moment, I think was like late 2013 When I lost like 30 kilos, so that's 60 pounds. I was like New Year's Eve, I got up from from the couch used to use the bathroom my friend behind my back. She's like, did you notice like, how much weight you want to last? You know, I didn't say anything, but like, I overheard it, you know? And I can let the sink ins so I was like, well, and I don't think I really like suits. Like realize that you know what I mean? Up until then, like I was just on goal mode kind of thing. I was just working hard should touring a lot too. So then I looked at it Merrigan I was like, Well, shit, you know, I'm now 30 kilos lighter. I feel great. You know, like, actually, my energy was good, you know, it's running itself. First, I've actually felt like confident, I felt really fucking good, you know? And I think that's one of the reasons like one of the main reasons why I'm so passionate about this stuff. Because I know what it's like to go from completely feeling like absolute shit to being like, hey, actually, no, no, I do have a body where I am actually confident where I am happy about what I see in the mirror. And I don't have to fucking wear my extra large T shirts. Just a hi my gut, you know, my, because that's what I was doing. I'm like a large, but I was getting XL just to hide that gut, you know? And at that moment, I was like, Fuck, yeah, I feel great, you know. And I want people to feel like that, too. You know? And that's ultimately what got me into coaching. But I think the thing that kind of makes me so passionate about this stuff, too, is just kind of the misinformation that we still see online. Right, that that's, that's 10 plus years, 10 years ago. And right now she's worse even.

Kristine Andali:

I would say it's worse. I would say it's worse. Yeah. Yeah.

Johan Vesters:

Because now we have to fucking deliver kings and the carnivore stuff. And like, you know,

Kristine Andali:

well, mate, okay. It might be worse. But I think now we have bigger platforms for people to spew their information. Yeah, right. We're like back. Instagram, I recently scroll back, like Instagram was like, nothing back then. Right? You wasn't even close to what it is now. And so I think that's a big piece of it, too. But one thing I want to just touch on, is like, during that process, those years, you lost a bunch of weight, but your relationship with food ended up pretty poor at one point, right? Like you were, were you dealing with bingeing at all?

Johan Vesters:

At one point, yes. And this is when so let's fast forward a little bit more. I moved to Norway after traveling the world. Touring mostly, this is kind of the place where for the first time, after years, I would actually stay for more than one week. I got back into CrossFit. Because over those years, I was really into CrossFit. But my music, let's call it career, you know? Yeah, I don't see like that. But like, let's call that to cough. And I was just on tour, like nine months out a year. So I was just on the road. And then I would travel in between basically. So I was just gone. Which obviously comes with not really being able to be consistent with training, etc. But it was always like this thing, right? Because from back then I knew about CrossFit. I knew about the level one and those kinds of things. I was like, I still kind of want one time, you know. But yeah, music like I said earlier, that's that's always been my thing. moved to Norway, got really back into CrossFit, because not at the time for it. Which ultimately led me to become a crossfit coach. But around that time, I think even I was still also kind of like, you know, like, let me cut a little bit more. And I was using a certain app, you know, to letters that we talked about last episode or two episodes ago. And I did that and it was way too little, you know, and I really got like these moments where I just like got super brain foggy. I just, I just had to stop that cut. So that was one. Then there was a certain crossfitter used to be the best one in the world. He I think yet there was a YouTube video where he talked about intermittent fasting. How amazing it was for his testosterone levels and all this shit. So I was like, okay, that's what I'm gonna do.

Kristine Andali:

Maybe he was trying to like, tell his heel, like, all I could think about in that situation is like, Ooh, let's tell my opponents to intermittent fast and their performance will go to

Johan Vesters:

so so I was doing CrossFit fasted in the morning

Kristine Andali:

there's that lack of knowledge and influence. Yeah, right.

Johan Vesters:

Yeah, exactly. And that's that's why I'm so I'm like really careful, even these days where as much as I like educating people and even like, we do that here. But the real shit that actually helps, you know, is way more basic and like not that exciting. No, and all that stuff, you know, like the fasting and all that I'm not even against that self. There's definitely time in place for them even keto etc. Like there are some cases where you act Do you want to use that as a tool? You know, are sure. But like, that's a great example. Right? Just hearing something and just running with it. And I just didn't know better. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's even like, I mean, that's so many of our clients, or people who only talk to or, you know, that's still the case. So So there was that, you know, obviously, you felt like shit. You know, let's use sometimes like, if you like injured etc, just feeling trash like energy levels. This is also where, because I told you about this to where I would then have that morning workout, I would then also work at night as a Northern Lights guide. So in between I was oh, yeah, shit, let me get a quick little like a meal in because I have to eat at some point, which usually will be a combination of like, maybe a protein shake, or protein bar. And then I would go to the store and packing grabbed like a jar of peanut butter. And these I know we talked about I think it was the fasting episode, I had a jar of peanut butter, like a pack of like seed crackers, you know? So this is like, I had the whole jar, basically, or at least as much as I could scoop out the crackers. And this is like a 3000 calorie. Let's call the bench.

Kristine Andali:

Yeah, that's wild.

Johan Vesters:

You know? So like, I

Kristine Andali:

will say, just like, I know where of like, why was that? So? Was it like? You were super hungry? Or starving. But you were also Where are you unaware of like the calorie intake of like something like peanut butter?

Johan Vesters:

Like I'll not even right? Well, it's this is definitely. So this is actually really good point. So between the my friend spending like 2012, I hadn't really tracked other than with the app to letters that we talked about reasonably, which doesn't do calories is just macros a little more simplified, which I do. Like, I will say that I do really like that. I do think No, I don't think I was aware of the calories in terms of kind of like carbs versus fats, you know? I don't think so. I didn't know it was a lot. But I think it came mostly from just not getting enough. Just being shit. Yeah, unprepared, which is a big point two. Yeah. Almost like, hey, you know, let me get something quick and let the energy you gotta go to work after too, you know, those kinds of things. So it's a combination, really. And I will say it's maybe that was maybe less of kind of like a relationship to food issue. But I did have points where I would fast on tour, where I didn't really I would feel really bad about as you know, eating after 10 You know? Okay. 10pm where I was really? Now I really fucked up.

Kristine Andali:

Yeah, because you had these rules.

Johan Vesters:

Yeah. You know, and, and then I would, I would overdo it also, because then I will get I will, you know, one slides might as well have to hold pizza. Yeah, yeah. And then we'll try again tomorrow. And guess what, on tour, you know, you're tired. Like, it's a, you know, rotations. That after show pizza is usually there. And I will turn it into almost a daily thing, you know, right, and then try trying to do my best with the fasting and then given again, so that was a little bit of a weird moment, too. So I think as for like, relationship to food, like that was kind of like the only real kind of like, for me. Struggle, I guess that I had for a little while mentally. Got it. And other than that, it was just, yeah, just not knowing better. I used to do a dead zone diet for a little while. Which also not great, you know, it's not terrible.

Kristine Andali:

The Zone diet I actually liked it. It was the diet for because I did it. I think we can do the Zone Diet. What happens is like people do the Zone diet and they also do like paleo at the same like they're doing paleo within there in CrossFit and that doesn't go well. But I do think the Zone diet can teach you the simplicity and the basics of nutrition, right? Because it's like protein, carbs, fats, it's teaching you the those foods. It's also teaching you how to build out meals, which from the very beginning that's like the, the diet that I did, and building out balanced meals is something that is a huge and main focus of mine and that's really where I learned it.

Johan Vesters:

You know what? That's it's really cool that you mentioned this because this so I think that was the thing that the video that really got me. Like that kind of sparked something in terms of nutrition for me. I think it was a level one recording about the nutrition piece by match. And I think that was a, that was a video for me. That kind of got me into that shit. I think that was the one. But that is a really good point because it does teach you about fats and the carbs that you need and the proteins and the food choices. Yeah. As a system. I don't know, I remember it was like a rule where, okay, if you if you lose weights up to a certain point, you just double your fats or something. So I didn't know about that.

Kristine Andali:

Yeah, there was something to the accuracy with stuff just really isn't there with that. But again, it's in terms of the basics. It's good.

Johan Vesters:

Yeah, for sure. But let's Yeah, I mean, I figured it out eventually, you know, like, so it was just a lot of trial and error.

Kristine Andali:

Right, right. And fast. And it is for a lot of people. But fast forward. So what, when was the moment or what got you into coaching? Like when was that?

Johan Vesters:

It was that video. So as I was doing my level one, I was like, I feel like to my level one, cause I was the only one who or maybe it was like two other dudes I talked to. I was prepared, you know, I fucking I knew everything. You know, I've really, really studied for that one. And I watch all the videos. And I think that that video by Matt Chandler like was the one that really got me into that the nutrition stuff. And I was like, I don't know something about that just really just resonated with me, you know. And then as I went through, you know, becoming a crossfit coach. And then over time, it did touch for a couple years. And I think two years later, I started you know, Festus nutrition, which now is Odyssey Coaching Systems. But from kinda like that, and my own shit, like trying to figure it out to then kind of seeing, okay, well, I now see a lot of people still struggling with the same stuff over and over again. And it's the exact same shit, it's the fasting, it's the supplements, it's the restrictive diets, documentaries, all of that, you know, it's the going online, really just want to get healthy and lose weight, and just feel good about yourself, going online for help and not getting it, you know, and just being worse off, which is really fucking frustrating. And it almost like pisses me off sometimes, you know, because people deserve that help. And that's literally why I created that group coaching program to I want to make that more available to people, you can serve that help. And you should not because we could even get into like doctors in the shed, like how often do you hear someone, you know, who asked for help from the doctor, whatever. And it's, it's the worst advice. And I'm not even shitting on doctors, but like, if you don't know, refer to someone who knows their shit, you know. But it's really seeing people struggle with the same stuff I did, wanting to help people. And also sometimes getting questions about that during CrossFit. Plus just my own journey, it just kind of just happened in a way where I got more and more interested. I heard about, so I did CrossFit. And then there's like these affiliated courses, or whatever it was and heard about precision nutrition, which then would be a thing. That was my first cert. And I mean, from there. It's from since Pn. It's been like, nonstop nutrition shifts, same

Kristine Andali:

nonsense nonstop. I think even if like, I didn't do this, I would still just be like, I'm so fascinated with this with this stuff. Like the human body nutrition hormones. It's just it's so fascinating.

Johan Vesters:

I'd appear on one thinking, Okay, I'm a crossfit coach. I also want to help people with nutrition. But then when you started learning, you're like well, actually, okay, now ask some basic shit and like knowledge, but actually don't know shit. Yeah. Because then then there's the hormones and the gun. Oh, yeah.

Kristine Andali:

It never stops. It's just like, never saw you the more I always say this, the more and you know, the less you know.

Johan Vesters:

Yeah. And it's so cool. And I think so what what a very helpful, sorry grateful for still, which is actually my own decision like this is to our fellow coaches, maybe the number one thing you can do is to just investing in, in courses, mentors especially like getting the help because I feel like oh yeah, people sometimes stick with Yeah, like they stay with a peon one or two cross it alone or whatever. BTW course and and that's it, but you got to keep learning. And I know that it's not easy to build a business in the fitness industry, you know, as a PD or nutrition coach, etc. But like the thing that I'm still so happy about is that I think my second month coaching so this is in the very beginning. I did, I think it was a workshop from Sam Miller. And then after that, he became my my one on one mentor. Back then, this is literally my second month having like a nutrition coaching company and I didn't know shit, you know? Yeah. And I think I learned so much there about the process and about coaching and then obviously did FMS together. Yeah. Kristine ally, and that's where we met. And just since then, so since starting, trying to figure this out, getting mentored by him doing FMS, also meaning you then since then, it's just been continuously just work, basically, but I fucking love it. No, no, no, it's the same for you. It's like, we work a lot. We do a lot of shit. You know, like, it's not just posting on Instagram, and you know, doing macros. But it's such a cool thing. You know what I mean? Like, it's such a it's really like, it's a passion of mine, you know?

Kristine Andali:

My dog is chewing something of mine or chewing it. But yeah, exactly. It is a huge passion.

Johan Vesters:

Which is, it's just so cool. I think it's awesome. I really love that. I mean, yeah, a lot has changed. Also, for me on a personal level since then, you know, I definitely overcame a lot of my struggles, and I still am dealing with shit too, though. But like, it's just just fun is like, I like the learning aspect. I just rediscovered learning. You know what I mean? Right? Books and shit, which I never fucking did, you know. And it was tough. Sorry. Guests. Got a guest on a podcast, surprise guest. All right. Always dogs could talk sometimes.

Kristine Andali:

I do. But I don't do but I don't. Actually

Johan Vesters:

that's a good point. Yeah. But, but it's just cool. It's cool to build stuff. It's cool to just keep learning and just help people. It's literally never totally Yeah, that being said, I actually have a guest episode coming up in 10 minutes, which is going to be my first one. So I want to get ready for that.

Kristine Andali:

Nice. That's exciting. I have a guest you too.

Johan Vesters:

Cool. Awesome. Which one? Which podcast?

Kristine Andali:

You're Taza. I don't know if you know who he is.

Johan Vesters:

I don't know. That's cool. That's awesome. So that being said, let's let's wrap it up. Because we both have shit to do, as well as the listener. Yeah, so do our listeners have a amazing week? Before I let you go, Kristine, any things you want to mention before we stop?

Kristine Andali:

No, we're good.

Johan Vesters:

Link the guest speaker below. Like I said for my program, we are launching that beta testing cohorts for May May 1 We started enrollment is open as of now only 10 spots. So it is limited. We'll link that down below as well. And then we will talk to you next week.

Everything Changed In 2012
Nutrition Was The Hard Part..
Mistakes Made Along The Way
Becoming A Nutrition Coach
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