Did you know that being shredded does NOT equal optimal health? This week we are joined by Hanna Rasmussen, a fellow coach and PT who started bodybuilding competitively at the age of 17.
Hanna shares what it really takes to get stage lean, and how it has a huge impact on both your body and mind. We talk about the struggles along the way, how it feels to step on stage, and the (often long term) consequences of putting your body through a prep.
We then talk about the importance of eating more and lifting weights, and the slow shift from that classic 'eat less, move more' into more of a 'let's nourish/fuel your body and put on some muscle' type of mindset that we're currently seeing. More and more women are now looking to build muscle, and we're all here for it!
You're going to want to check out this episode in full, and pay attention. Because although we do talk a lot about bodybuilding, it all ties back to the principles that will help you create sustainable, long term results.
You can follow Hanna at @hannarasmu on Instagram.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(10:02) The process of getting lean
(17:25) Being shredded, performance, and health
(29:52) What happens after a body building show
(36:48) Why planning the different seasons of nutrition is so important
(38:55) From 'eat less move more' to building muscle
(47:35) Hanna's current goals / outro
More from Talking Nutrition and Odyssey Coaching Systems 👇🏼
Follow @johanvesters_ocs on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/johanvesters_ocs/
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Coaching applications - https://odysseycoachingsystems.co/online-nutrition-coaching
Did you know that being shredded does NOT equal optimal health? This week we are joined by Hanna Rasmussen, a fellow coach and PT who started bodybuilding competitively at the age of 17.
Hanna shares what it really takes to get stage lean, and how it has a huge impact on both your body and mind. We talk about the struggles along the way, how it feels to step on stage, and the (often long term) consequences of putting your body through a prep.
We then talk about the importance of eating more and lifting weights, and the slow shift from that classic 'eat less, move more' into more of a 'let's nourish/fuel your body and put on some muscle' type of mindset that we're currently seeing. More and more women are now looking to build muscle, and we're all here for it!
You're going to want to check out this episode in full, and pay attention. Because although we do talk a lot about bodybuilding, it all ties back to the principles that will help you create sustainable, long term results.
You can follow Hanna at @hannarasmu on Instagram.
- - -
Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(10:02) The process of getting lean
(17:25) Being shredded, performance, and health
(29:52) What happens after a body building show
(36:48) Why planning the different seasons of nutrition is so important
(38:55) From 'eat less move more' to building muscle
(47:35) Hanna's current goals / outro
More from Talking Nutrition and Odyssey Coaching Systems 👇🏼
Follow @johanvesters_ocs on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/johanvesters_ocs/
Read the blog - https://odysseycoachingsystems.co/blog/
Watch TN on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@talkingnutritionpodcast
Coaching applications - https://odysseycoachingsystems.co/online-nutrition-coaching
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do you want to learn how to get healthy perform at your best and create body composition changes that lasts in this
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podcast we're going to talk about all things Fitness Nutrition health and mindset you're going to learn how to create real results and most importantly
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how to maintain those results in the long run I'm your investors I'm Christine and Dally and you're listening
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to talking nutrition
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[Music] all right what's up guys welcome back to
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the talking nutrition episode 22 today or another guest episodes
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today we're joined by Hannah Rasmussen did I say that right perfect okay I'm doing my best here
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um Hannah actually lives in Toronto where I live as well Hannah's basically the person who tells
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me my technique is shared at the gym and shows me how to do it correctly you
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know I know I Hannah very well with her boyfriend and they're both great people and uh we're going to talk about
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something that we haven't really brought up in this podcast because it's it's not our expertise and that is uh
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bodybuilding right competing getting people stage lean um so that's what we're going to talk
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about today so Hannah has experience with bikini fitness so she has
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gone that route she has been on stage as well as a boyfriend she got super lean
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she's gonna tell us kind of like what it took um we're also going to talk about like how
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being super lean is not necessarily like the uh the best you know health approach either
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I'm gonna yeah talk about like I said what it takes but also kind of struggles along the way
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um effects maybe after that you know but then also to shift that we are currently seeing where even though
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there's always been a lot of pressure you know for a long time at least on women being like lean and dieting and
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let's be honest we all know a lot of women who've always been trying to diet you know for a very long time
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we've got to see a shift now where more people are like building muscle which I think is really cool um and more girls and women are looking
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to fuel and feel good and nurse our bodies so I think that's very important as well so before we get into the episode guys
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real quick you already know what I'm going to ask and that is a quick five-star rating or review on Apple or
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Spotify next two seconds helps us grow the show and of course helps the helps the the
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algorithm you know but all joking aside
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Let's uh let's get into it so tell us about yourself Hannah so what do you do study work you know things you love to
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do Etc and then we'll take it from there yeah uh currently I'm working as a
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personal trainer and fitness coach but yeah not bodybuilding but more health so
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um I I'm doing online clients and in person uh personal personal training
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and I also study uh right now I take math and physics
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so I'm thinking about getting into computer science which is something
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totally different but yeah I think that's you can say there's two sides of
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me yeah that's cool though that's interesting how how like are you balancing it like
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50 50 or how is that working right now
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it's a week where I do clients but in person uh and online coaching is
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really a day-to-day uh check-ins and stuff like that right
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um right before my exams uh it's almost only studying and doing clients when I
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can but um mostly it's 50 50 years got it cool
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so um obviously we wanted to talk about what like Johann said so just give us a
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little bit of background of like when you went on stage you know how long you did that for
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um what that kind of looked like to Fitness and competing
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very young
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and a woman on Instagram that I really like looked up to and she was a bikini
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Pro and I thought that looked very cool and I I can remember back to when I was
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like 13 14 everyone was looking up to like very skinny woman and I was looking
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up to those with more muscle mass and stuff that was cool so I reached out to
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her when I was like 16 and I asked for coaching so I started on a only a workout program
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from her um and did that for like a year and then
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I thought oh games now I can compete and back then many girls didn't have like
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much muscle even on stage like bikini girls so
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um you actually had to apply for uh getting into the team but uh I think if
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I had applied right now with that physique I wouldn't have gotten into any
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team because I was so uh little and didn't have much nothing much at all so
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um my first competition was
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I think I was 17. right before I turned 18. so very young and very very very
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skinny didn't have much muscle at all um and I think we're gonna get into that
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also but uh a lot of girls think that if they just work out for a while and then
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get very lean the muscles will pop and just be underneath but
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actually the they are not gonna do that they are going to disappear when you diet so right yeah
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so I did the first competition when I was 17 the second when I was 19 and the
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last last one um uh last year actually okay were you with
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the same coach that whole time uh for the first two competitions I I
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was with the same coach and then I changed to another one because she
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stopped doing yeah like Fitness teams yeah about it I feel like that's really
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young yeah like I typically I'm hearing people
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right when they're like I don't know late 20s 30 and above I've never heard anyone do it that young have
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you you on no just how I mean it's kind of impressive because
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people I feel like I mean at least over here I mean now they might be might be but like
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that young I feel like they're not even like thinking about that you know
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so you're I feel like your head was in a good place though you know at that age you know prioritizing that but I think
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it is often our heads will go that way versus like going Health at that age you
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know what I mean yeah yeah okay I think looking looking
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backwards I I would don't think I would have done it again that young but also I
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didn't have like a bad experience because my coach was very good at telling me that okay when when you're
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getting off the stage we're starting our reverse diet and you are getting back to the shape it was before and then we will start building muscle so
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I was very ready for for the reverse diet and the building
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phase afterwards and I think that's where most girls
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yes fall apart in this yeah sport yeah yeah it seems like that
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coach was on top of it to so how old are you right now uh I'm 22. okay got it yeah yeah because
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like the whole like reverse dieting thing that just really gained a lot of traction in the past couple years I feel
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right so that coach being on top of that back then it's pretty solid
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yeah I'm actually like happily surprised that you mentioned like hey actually we did a reverse diet and we switched back
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to building muscle uh and regaining that and that your coach actually said like hey this is
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what we're gonna do now like you're done you're not done yet you know I'm gonna do the transition
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um and actually I didn't know that you actually did like a reverse diet back then already so that's super cool because like Christine said it's it's
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really like now like you see it all over the place you know and I feel like back then it might have
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just been like like I don't know when like the North and kind of came up with that a little
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um but like it must have been like not that known at all back then you know so
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I really like that I think it's really cool yeah because you used to see I mean when I was younger I'm quite
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older than you right now but like when I was younger and I would see bodybuilders they would be like super lean and then
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like right away they would blow up right yeah like right away where now it's more
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of a process people are doing it in a much more I mean healthier healthier way
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uh but yeah it was like total extremes yeah
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awesome that's good to hear though um so
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talk to us a little bit about that process
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um you know from like when you started to getting on stage and what it what it really took to get that you know stage
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lead and how you felt along the way um
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both of my coach uh had that mindset that we are going to do it healthy
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as close up to the competition as we can and I think a lot of people think that
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competing and being lean is like healthier and that's what you're supposed to look like and you can if you
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want to get lean you can just get into our fitness competition and then you
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will be lean afterwards and win-win right right that it takes a lot first of all you
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need to work out for very very hard for years to gain that muscle mass
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and eating being in a surplus being uncomfortable in your body and being
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bigger than you actually want to be because you needed extra energy to actually be able to
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build muscle mass and then you start the prep as you call
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it and you start to get lean and
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at the beginning it's like a normal deficit where you just cut calories
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you work out normal maybe you add like steps or something to make sure you get
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enough activity in but really it's just a deficit and you still work out like
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normal and for a bodybuilder that's a lot but right normal amounts yeah
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so but as you get into it your body will start to work against you because your
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body don't want to get that lean especially women we're not supposed to get that lean right so
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progressing forward you eat less and less and less you you need to cut out
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more and more and you need to work out harder and work very hard mentally to
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keep pushing weights because your body don't want to have that muscle mass and
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your body wants to get rid of it because it's taking too much energy right so you need to push your workout but also you
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need to manage the activity maybe you get up to like 10 or 15 000 steps and you also have to do excessive cardio on
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the treadmill or something like that so
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uh at the beginning I cut out uh like 500 calories a normal
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deficit and in the end I think like from the start to the Finish
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I cut off like cut out like 1 300 calories or something something like
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that and also I did two hours of cardio every
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single day and before that I did like running intervals uh three times a
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week and also um doing strengths workouts five times a
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week and posting for like half an hour a day so it adds up at the end it's a
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full-time job yeah did you live at the gym yeah
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basically living at the gym and uh going home make your food eat your
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food sleep think about food work out you all you do is like planning so you can
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get everything in and I remember likes the last couple of weeks I I can't
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really remember doing my workouts or doing my cardio or going to work I just
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I just did it and I don't think my mind was with me or I I just
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had to make it work so I turned on like a zombie mode where I
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just had to get through it right because you're at such low calories right and
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then basically the most amount of activity yeah okay so the body is just under so
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much stress yeah right yeah like how like how did you feel like were you
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super lethargic like how were you sleeping how were like bio feedback
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markers um
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I was not sleeping well I all all three preps I went through uh at the
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end like last couple three weeks maybe I wake up like three four times a night
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because you're hungry and your body is like
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cramping up or something yeah you always you're always kind of
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uh hungry and tired yeah and you get this brain fog where where everything is
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just like it's around you but you can't really hear it or Focus or anything you you're
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just you're just there and uh you're there but you're not right
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and me and my boyfriend we did this at the same time uh and
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I don't think we could have made could have made made it work
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without both being that way because you're so focused and in your own bubble
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that you forget about every thing and everyone around you and so and also the
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libido and yes yeah that's another big one it's not there yeah yeah so uh
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yeah like the stress and the energy and the libido and like the menstrual cycle
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stuff that's all because the body is just under so much stress it's starting
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to down regulate these these our sex hormones our thyroid and these are
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basically the the repercussions of that
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my workouts and my cardio and everything
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I I'm very good at switching just off my mind and just be like it okay I got to
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do this so the more I think about it the more time it will uh the more time we'll
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go and I uh before before I'm done so if I just sit there and think okay I have
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to work out I have to do cardio it it will take longer time to actually get it done so
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I just got into this mode where I'm like okay I need to get this and this and
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this done and then I do it and and it's them um and I think
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people around me see me like this like I'm very strong and healthy and
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doing all these workouts and doing cardio and eating healthy and
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but actually I'm I'm not even there I'm I'm not thinking
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I can't right I I can't do anything except the things I have to do
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it's quite literally the opposite of Health though yeah and like it
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it's a it's a sport right it's a sport like with Crossfit for example
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um like I was a high level CrossFit athlete and that was my life for a long time and you can't have performance in
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health and you can't have Aesthetics and health like those just don't go together
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right and I think that I mean I guess you could have there's a
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there's a limit of like Aesthetics you can have and health right like when
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we're getting into bodybuilding it's not it's just it's just not healthy period but there's
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people honestly trying to live that lifestyle
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just to to look a certain way normally like not to get on stage there's there's
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no goal there to get on stage they but they think they have to do these things and it's actually driving them
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in an unhealthy Direction but they they think it's going in a healthy direction
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right but it's it's really ultimately not they're just striving for this
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body you know body goal or whatever they're striving for and it's just it's
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an unrealistic thing yeah I think I think social media plays a huge role
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there as well and I mean we have we've all seen the liver King stuff like pop off last week
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and without really getting into that too much like people think yeah that I do
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like that who's like eating liver and stuff you know like okay like that's what I that you know that's what it must
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be or I need to look like this and then he goes on about like mental health and stuff now he's actually adding to the
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problem because people now think you have to get that lean you have to look like that you know and the same for women like you see
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a lot of people online who are either fairly and very unhealthy
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or they're very lean for a short period of time they do all their photo shoots then and then they post those photos
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throughout the whole year but we all have like unrealistic view of that
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of what's healthy or not all but you know what I mean offer's healthy and
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looking lean and like you said Christine performing and this is actually something I mentioned my in my
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presentations I have like a triangle on the thing and it's like Performance Health and physique you know so I ask
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people like who here wants to perform at a high level look absolutely shredded and be
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the healthiest possible you know and all the hands go up then you've got to give them the bad
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news like we can't do that you know we can focus on performance we can't focus on health we've got focus on physique
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but not all at once all the time and that's maybe something that everyone needs to hear is that you can't have it but it's not
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at all at the same time you know right um so like let's let's get back to you like
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so you just said okay I felt like a zombie I was doing unsustainable amounts of cardio lifting
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weights you're basically living at the gym right you were also barely eating you were
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barely sleeping I can only imagine well actually I cannot what it was like being on stage
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like that moment like try to like try to picture that like you're on stage what you feel like right there
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oh that's very hard actually to describe
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because um for me being on stage
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like the glitter bikini and the makeup and the hair and everything it's just
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stressful I I actually don't enjoy that much being on stage or the stage day at
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all it's I I like being uncomfortable I like having
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life this huge goal in front of me that I have to reach so I like putting down
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the work but I don't really like the Glam and being on stage and everything
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and it's actually very sad because people
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only see uh See the stage part and the Glam and bikini and everything and they
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think it looks great and looks healthy and I want to be like that and do that
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and everyone is smiling from ear to ear and looks super happy and and healthy
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but they are dried out and with and haven't eaten for like a month they're
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all dying a little bit well this is one thing I wanted to say was like I know we kind of touched on it
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a little bit but again the social media thing where they could see a picture of
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Hannah and be like wow like and like your family wow like she looks so good like she's so healthy and then
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look at how she's feeling right and like this is something I I talk to my clients a lot about too is like you have no clue
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how that person got to where they are and how they feel it could have been
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a chaotic mess and they could feel like absolute crap and now you you're wanting
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to look like that right it's there's a big disconnect there they just have no clue what the process has looked like
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for anyone and this is a prime example of that hey and plus people have lives yeah
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right they have a job they have school they have [ __ ] too kids whatever
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they can go and live at the gym because they got stuff to do or do we go broke or whatever you know
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so right I gotta give it to you like it's it's super impressive to hear you doing that work and I I can kind of tell
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because I I see how to frequently at the gym and we talk a lot and I can kind of tell like you're a hard worker you know
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like when you put your mind to onto something like don't get it done basically I can see that
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um and I think that's also what it takes because most people realistically like
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most people won't actually be able to do that because I don't think I can do it I don't think I don't know like it's it's
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a super impressive thing that people have that you know mental strength to do
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what you guys do but I feel like I would die like I could not push through that
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see I I recently did a cut where I I was
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done and I wasn't even like I mean I was lean and I've been lean but like I still would have gone through like a
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whole prep phase to even get like stage lean or something hell no like I'm good yeah so it's it's
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impressive I gotta say like it's getting to that point doing it also multiple times like
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knowing what it takes that second time third time whatever [ __ ] like that's that's crazy and like
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Hannah said it's kind of two extremes because like the super lean is really really hard but
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then you in order to get that you have to put on weight and be super
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uncomfortable in your body right so they are dealing with like both
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right so yeah it's it's crazy it's impressive yeah
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because do you think um so because I know we talked about this a while ago but are you gonna do anything
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in the future or you think like no I'm good I'm just focusing on like studies and stuff
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like body or bodybuilding wise I mean actually don't right now
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but the the level of muscle mass uh that girls
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are are competing with right now uh all right
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uh a lot more than it used to be so uh even though I trained for a long time
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and I work out really hard and I eating a surplus and everything I think I would need like two three
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years maybe before I'm at the level the fitness
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bikini fitness category is right now so
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um first I need to put on a lot of muscle mass and then I need to consider if it's worth it or where I am
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in my life do I have a lot of work do I study do I uh am I in the right place to
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start uh a fitness prep because
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you put your life on hold in some way because you need to focus so much on it
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so you can't expect to have a social life
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and be on it at work and study a lot if you are going through it you have to
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like uh you have you still have to work and study and stuff like that but you you
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can't be a hundred percent yeah that's it that's a good topic
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because that kind of translates into coaching too right where you know you
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have people who want to get super laying or like they want to lose that last last 10 pounds
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it's like okay but what's the trade-off like you know the the five to ten pounds or your quality of life starting to
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suffer right so you have to like weigh the pros and cons there which seems like you're
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having to do for sure yeah and and one thing I
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learned for being lean multiple times and definitely in multiple times
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um is that you don't really get to the point where you feel like ah no I'm
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happy no I'm leaning not sorry right it's like never good enough really no
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it's not and when you're deathly new or I think that I need to gain weight
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because now I look so little and stringy and but you also feel like [ __ ] because you're
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not eating uh and when you start to gain weight again you you get to a point
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where you're like ah oh I'm kind of comfortable but kid lose a little bit of that or again a little bit here or you
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never really get satisfied because your mind don't don't let you do it
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right yeah so um I don't think anyone will get to a
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point where they're like oh no I'm lean enough right I feel like that you know
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people dealing with that they have to completely eventually remove themselves
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from the sport two potentially at one point be satisfied with you know where their body
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weight is at you know it's hard to be satisfied when you're in the sport
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yeah yeah so um sorry I'm like asking all the questions you want
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I don't mind oh no sorry I was I was thinking really quick because we you you
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touched on a very good point you said like okay I kind of have to step away or you might have to step away from it I
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mean I know you did a similar thing with Crossfit and you kind of have to say hey I'm I'm not going to compete anymore I'm
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going to take care of my hormonal stuff my injuries and all that now like I gotta just I have to see something else
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yeah and um like for me it was
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I don't know it kind of in a similar way what I wasn't competing at eye level I was just like burned out but I also had
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to like stop and say like I had to make a change you know but do you think there I mean
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we we know there are but like do you see a lot of people with like long-term kind of struggles
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coming out of that you know like coming out of bodybuilding having been at that stage you know
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knowing that you know from your experience too like knowing that you're never really satisfied with the way you look like I could be a little leaner
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here I want to put on some muscle there do you notice anything now personally in
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terms of like your mindset maybe your body or even like how your body feels and do you see maybe other people that
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you know who have you know done shows who long after that still kind of
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struggled maybe eating enough putting on weight when that's actually a healthy thing to do
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um yeah like I need like mental struggles or something like that you know yeah
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um for me personally uh I I've never been on
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uh I've never really restricted myself from eating I always follow the plan and
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if my Coach tell me to eat 100 calories more the next week and 100 calories more than next week after that I I do it uh
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but for me the control of how much I'm eating uh at one point was taking over
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so I felt like I had to control and wait
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out or all my food food and and eat at a certain
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and it's like on the clock
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three hours four hours yeah so uh but gradually I stopped weighing my
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food and I talked to my coach and was honest about it and he was like okay next week you're not uh you're not
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counting your breakfast and the week after that you're not counting your
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lunch and the week after that okay this weekend are totally free and I'm very
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much like if my Coach tells me to do something I will follow it so
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um you get out of it um if you have the mind to do it right
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and I think a lot of girls don't and they actually don't know what they are
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getting into they think that they are getting stage lean and then it's over and you walk out of it with uh lean body
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but you're so lean and you're so hungry and if you
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don't have a coach and you don't follow a plan after you get off off the stage you will
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start eating maybe you start with going out for a burger and ice cream or
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something to celebrate and it tastes very good because you're very hungry and
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you're very lean and you think okay I will get back on track tomorrow but you
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don't have a coach that follows you up so you don't get back on track you you continue eating okay only this breakfast
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um okay maybe on ice cream or in a chocolate bar and then you just keep on
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eating and you can't stop because you have restricted yourself for so long and
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you're so hungry and your body is just screaming for it to happen yeah so
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I think very many after a competition just gained weight very rapidly and then
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they are like [ __ ] what happened and then they start to struggle a lot
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because where they that lean body I had like two weeks ago right so
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um the importance of knowing that you are going to get stage lean and then you are
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going to follow a reverse diet afterwards and you're going back to the physique that you originally had before
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you started prepping uh that's very important when you you
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get into the sport you you can't get into it and think oh I will be
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staged lean and I will be happy and I will keep that body for the rest of the Summer perfect it's not possible it's
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not possible and and so obviously we see the body image stuff
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right um what about you know how has your relationship with food
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how was your relationship with food after that because that's I know we're
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talking about the binging and stuff but I mean if that can take a long time to overcome and I've personally worked with
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you know women who have come from the bodybuilding world and we have to work
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on improving their relationship with food because it's so out of whack from that so how what was your
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um what was your journey with that um
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never really struggled with that reverse diet afterwards or like
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being way I'm flying with binging and stuff like that so
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I think I just had the right mindset to stick to a plan
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even after the competition was over but I know a lot of
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competitors struggling with binging afterwards and
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uh they intend to start a reverse diet but one or two weeks into it they they
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are like falling falling off because it's way harder to stick to a plan when
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you don't have the goal anymore you're right just following it because it's healthy to do it but
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you don't really get anything out of it or or you think you don't get anything out of it but it's very very important
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to uh to keep being healthy after a competition are those uh women you're
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talking about do they have coaches or were they trying to do it on their own most of them have coaches
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but not every coach are right the best coaches right so many of them are like
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okay now you're done just eat and enjoy oh geez and
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when I'm struggle afterwards right yeah it's actually pissing me off
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yeah coaches do that same yeah yeah and this even ties back to like
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normal I'm doing air quotes for people who are listening like normal people who don't body build like it's not just
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the diet it's not like okay this x-week block like I'm gonna lose weight yeah
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it's the building muscle getting you ready like feeding you up doing that
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actual transformation and then also after that and I tell everyone multiple times
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before they even go into a cut like hey at that point once we get to the the 12 weeks the the x wait or whatever you're
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not done yet you know like we gotta still work on keeping the weight off and people forget that's in bodybuilding
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that's outside of bodybuilding with oh sorry with anyone who's trying to create results and you
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know lose the weight it's like this thought of I'm gonna do his quick diet or whatever
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but in reality there's so much more outside of that before and after
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I don't really think like that I I wish and I think this we might be going that
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direction but like I really hope that this turns into like common sense or common knowledge you know where people
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know hey if I want to lose fat and keep it off and I want to do this I'm a Gleaner okay so that's how it works it's not the
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the quick restrictive you know X weeks or whatever you know it's not a moment it's like a process it
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takes time and it happens in Cycles it can happens
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in Cycles right like for sure it might not just take one shot where I think a lot of people say okay I'm gonna do keto
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lose all this weight and then all this weight then I'm done no like it can take
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multiple times right so laughs
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okay cool where were we
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um yeah so did you have anything to ask Eric we're seeing otherwise no I was just looking
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at some of some of the questions to see where we were gonna go but we kind of already asked her transition out and
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stuff so basically yeah yeah so so I said this in the very beginning
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um that it's kind of cool that we do see more girls lifting weights you know want to lift heavy put on muscle
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I think that's really cool it's it's probably a very good change hey maybe this is going to backfire too like we
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know as well even with like Tick Tock and stuff like everything is Extreme and I mean health and fitness is Extreme it
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goes from like one thing to the other and back and keeps swinging like although I really like to see what's
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coming now you know where we're moving away from The Chronic dieting the dieting dieting dieting eating glass
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move more now to hate let's nourish our bodies let's make sure that we have a
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cycle well not we but women not me
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um but that women are healthy are at a healthy body fat percentage too because
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that's something you said like women actually need a little bit more and like I almost feel like I have to be
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careful because I'm a dude saying this well that is that is true like for
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health for you know continuing our species yeah like it's super important
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for your hormones um but anyway back back to like feeding uh
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fueling like getting workouts in like building muscle I know you train a couple of girls as well at the gym like
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do you see that now where girls are trying to actually put on muscle like actually do
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like a lean like gaining phase for example or
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many girls that uh are like waking about it and I know that
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okay if I if I'm going to gain muscle I need to eat and they are asking me for help to gain
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muscle and when I tell them okay then you need to eat more too they are that they are pretty much comfortable
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with it but I don't think everyone
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is realizing that you can't just eat in a surplus for like two three months and
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gain a lot of muscle and then you're going to a deficit phase you have to do it for like years maybe
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before you're even there and I actually get a lot of girls contacting me on for
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example Instagram uh and some of them even sent me
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pictures of themselves and ask if if they can compete soon
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and most of them yes they they look very good and they have a little bit of
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muscle mass but they are very tiny and already very lean but right but not
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enough muscles to compete anytime soon and I think many of the coaches just
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tells them that yeah sure we just get you lean enough and then your muscles
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will pop but that's what I want to hear I think more coaches need to tell them okay what it
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takes to actually get to the point where you you can compete or actually what it takes to gain muscle uh it's not the
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cutting face it's the building phase that's it that is most important and you
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spend most of your time in the gaining phase um not the cutting phase
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um what was the question no that's good because that that's true that translates
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over to adorable people like we're talking about this all the time where like you need to be
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out of the dieting phase you need to be you know at maintenance or in a surplus
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like that's the body that's gonna show in the cut right so if you don't build
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it nothing's gonna show and like you said at the beginning if you don't have
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that muscle when you do go into a deficit you're gonna lose what you have and then that
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becomes a bigger problem right so I love that yeah me too I'm
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gonna collab that I think it's gonna be a real because I was like you were saying that I was like hell yeah like
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that's exactly what we need to like people need to know that stuff you you have to spend time like
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sure a couple months that's cool like you're going to see a little bit challenging like time time build muscle for it a year two years you know yeah
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imagine and it's it's hard as a human being like we don't think long term we're like give you that short-term [ __ ]
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you know but if you can only imagine like the muscle you can build in two three years and then do like Cuts or even like maybe
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along the way a couple mini Cuts here and there like if it's necessary even but if you invested time
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if you can actually think long term and which again is super difficult but if you get through that period
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uncomfortable experience of also gaining body fat which is going to happen you know but getting good workouts and
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feeling good in terms of hormones like actually having enough fuel you know getting healthy fats Etc like going through that
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building muscle we then get lean you've got to set yourself up for
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a very long time because you've got to have more muscle maintaining the muscle is way more easy than initially building
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it that's going to serve you for years after like when we got older we want to have the muscle we want to have good
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metabolism that's the [ __ ] that's got to do that for you yes
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love that one people always people message us and
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they'll be like I love your rants I'm like perfect because
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I feel like maybe uh this was probably maybe 10 episodes ago I think we had like a side rant about like influences
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like three episodes yeah but
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[Music] um not like yeah that's it's just important yeah get out some muscle build your
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muscle people yeah yeah let me actually see when does this
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episode launch yeah you guys just chat I just want to check something actually more important to eat it up
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okay that was a question you were gonna ask but she answered it already we already
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answer that that was it's checking so okay it's December 7 this episode will
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be up December 19th okay so yeah let's say let's call it like 12 days you
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know left in a year or something get to the gym like people who are listening to this now
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yeah use the food you know yes get a good workout in use that [ __ ] like if you have a big I
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told this to probably five clients today like if you have a big Christmas dinner with dessert with all the carbs and
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cookies and [ __ ] get to the gym the next day you're gonna like probably PR or something you know yeah I always used to do that you know
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when I was training for in CrossFit for competing and stuff like those meals I'm
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like yes tomorrow I'm gonna like do a heavy deadlift or something I would use it to my advantage
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yeah yeah tradition yeah
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I don't play so I'll join you guys too I'll join you then that's awesome
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I think um also uh with uh eating a lot uh I see
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a lot of girls uh seeing yeah influencers on like Tick Tock and stuff
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and I genetically or or work there they their way to
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hi a huge butt or something and they see this exercise that that is just totally
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ridiculous and not putting any and putting in any work actually on the
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muscle just making it burn or something yes and they messaged me and they're
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like oh should I do this exercise or do you do this and I'm like no stick
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to the basics yes let's have it do the work you you can't go to the gym and
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feel a little bit of burn and then you will gain muscle so yeah uh yeah it
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burns calories but use the calories lift heavy right yeah love that
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Bubba okay so what right now um are your current goals well and we'll
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end with that [Music]
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building as much as possible and also
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enjoying uh more uh life in general
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going to the gym like three four times a week lifting heavy doing quality work
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and then I can walk my dog and be social and do everything uh as studying working and stuff like
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that that that's uh that is important for my life and so
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yeah building as much as possible but but also enjoying and not making it my
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whole life yeah like actually having a balance for once right yeah yeah is your
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boyfriend in the same boat right now then too yeah yeah that's great yeah
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awesome this was awesome I think this is a really good I love this episode yeah for
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sure just to have that diff just to have that different perspective and it's good because it again like so much of that
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translates over to just the typical gen pop you know so
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yeah thank you so much Hannah yeah no problem thank you I I really
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love this episode I thought it was really cool to kind of hear your site but the actual like the experience like
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how you felt and not just like the quick post on Instagram where people see that stuff
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where you're you know you're holding the the like the medals or whatever you know the prize it's like no actually the
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whole process like what it takes and I think a lot of people probably you
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know listening to this will be like oh [ __ ] that's what it takes you know yeah maybe uh maybe I won't try to get on stage you
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know maybe you know I'll adjust my goals to something more realistic but I think it's uh it's super cool yeah
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I was very happy when you you asked me because I've been dying to actually talk about
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it to normal people and explain that it's not just building muscle and that
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get and then getting lean it's it's much more threat and you can't really
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know what you're getting into before you're there but right but you don't do
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it if you if you're not capable of giving it 100
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all the time every hour of the day so yeah it's not
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just like a normal cat you you yeah right you give it everything yeah the
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expectations of what it takes is really important
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awesome right let's wrap it up thank you for listening guys great
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thank you